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		<title>By: Edmond</title>
		<link>http://singularvoice.wordpress.com/2007/11/09/why-going-to-morocco-is-not-the-solution/#comment-3312</link>
		<dc:creator>Edmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well said, people forget black is not an ethnicity. I know Igbos that won&#039;t marry Hausas is that self hate? Its laughable this rhetoric is</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well said, people forget black is not an ethnicity. I know Igbos that won&#8217;t marry Hausas is that self hate? Its laughable this rhetoric is</p>
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		<title>By: Edmond</title>
		<link>http://singularvoice.wordpress.com/2007/11/09/why-going-to-morocco-is-not-the-solution/#comment-3311</link>
		<dc:creator>Edmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Black Muslimahs can get passports too and go anywhere they want. There are 6,000,000,000 people in the world. you people are talking like folks stuck in antiquity. Our sisters are not chained to the shores.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Black Muslimahs can get passports too and go anywhere they want. There are 6,000,000,000 people in the world. you people are talking like folks stuck in antiquity. Our sisters are not chained to the shores.</p>
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		<title>By: Edmond</title>
		<link>http://singularvoice.wordpress.com/2007/11/09/why-going-to-morocco-is-not-the-solution/#comment-3310</link>
		<dc:creator>Edmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;only a weak black man&quot;, news flash    &#039; a woman is a woman&#039;, men like women, so men marry women. everything else is based on preference. and congratulations that you found the husband YOU wanted. see how it works?....follow the logos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;only a weak black man&#8221;, news flash    &#8216; a woman is a woman&#8217;, men like women, so men marry women. everything else is based on preference. and congratulations that you found the husband YOU wanted. see how it works?&#8230;.follow the logos</p>
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		<title>By: Edmond</title>
		<link>http://singularvoice.wordpress.com/2007/11/09/why-going-to-morocco-is-not-the-solution/#comment-3309</link>
		<dc:creator>Edmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peace be onto you,
I&#039;m not sure about what you are saying for the fact that we have 2 issues here, possibly 3. I am a first generation AA man and I am a muslim but my understanding leads me to believe that it is halal to select a wife from the Ummah, whether it is Senegal,Bosnia, Egypt or wherever. Discrimination on the basis of race is Haraam needless to say I cant speak for others but I find the North African woman to be my aesthetic preference aside from her being a religious essential. I see nothing wrong with a man determining the feminine qualities that appeal to him. Long flowing hair is attractive to me. I&#039;ve faced it unapologetically. Their eyes and acute features are foxlike. In addition to that I have always determined in my mind that I could only marry a woman with ethnic ties. The African American woman is wonderful but she is boring and common to me. Similarly to the way that I rarely enjoy home cooked food as much as I do my favorite restaurant. Its a matter of taste and our community is global now. These shores are not the whole world and I feel folks can stay in the wilderness if they choose or explore other horizons. I&#039;m getting my degree in poli sci and Arabic, Afterwards i&#039;ll join the peace corp and guess where Al Maghreb, and InshAllah I will find a nice woman there to marry. There are millions of men in the world of all forms that our sisters should gladly accept if they qualify for them. I love my sisters, as sisters. My tastes and preferences will not be dictated by a sophistic mob. Guys like us won&#039;t be missed if we take another route to happiness. There are so many men willing to marry you all. I feel you should only spend your time and concern with them. As far as self hatred I wouldn&#039;t go that far. The type of self love that would be opposite is a sort of narcisism. I It&#039;s an unfounded an specious argument. The fact is I find foreign women more compatible with all of my wants and needs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peace be onto you,<br />
I&#8217;m not sure about what you are saying for the fact that we have 2 issues here, possibly 3. I am a first generation AA man and I am a muslim but my understanding leads me to believe that it is halal to select a wife from the Ummah, whether it is Senegal,Bosnia, Egypt or wherever. Discrimination on the basis of race is Haraam needless to say I cant speak for others but I find the North African woman to be my aesthetic preference aside from her being a religious essential. I see nothing wrong with a man determining the feminine qualities that appeal to him. Long flowing hair is attractive to me. I&#8217;ve faced it unapologetically. Their eyes and acute features are foxlike. In addition to that I have always determined in my mind that I could only marry a woman with ethnic ties. The African American woman is wonderful but she is boring and common to me. Similarly to the way that I rarely enjoy home cooked food as much as I do my favorite restaurant. Its a matter of taste and our community is global now. These shores are not the whole world and I feel folks can stay in the wilderness if they choose or explore other horizons. I&#8217;m getting my degree in poli sci and Arabic, Afterwards i&#8217;ll join the peace corp and guess where Al Maghreb, and InshAllah I will find a nice woman there to marry. There are millions of men in the world of all forms that our sisters should gladly accept if they qualify for them. I love my sisters, as sisters. My tastes and preferences will not be dictated by a sophistic mob. Guys like us won&#8217;t be missed if we take another route to happiness. There are so many men willing to marry you all. I feel you should only spend your time and concern with them. As far as self hatred I wouldn&#8217;t go that far. The type of self love that would be opposite is a sort of narcisism. I It&#8217;s an unfounded an specious argument. The fact is I find foreign women more compatible with all of my wants and needs</p>
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		<title>By: Fazeel</title>
		<link>http://singularvoice.wordpress.com/2007/11/09/why-going-to-morocco-is-not-the-solution/#comment-3202</link>
		<dc:creator>Fazeel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 01:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All kinds of Muslims in America are faced with the difficult challenge of marriage. I am a man of Indian / Pakistani descent. Many of the points in the article ring true. Both men and Muslim women in America complain that it&#039;s difficult to find a good mate. In 2005 I wrote an article &quot;Muslims Not Married in America&quot;... http://www.chowk.com/articles/9312... and I&#039;m still searching : o )
The reasons are many. Some are listed in the article. Others are listed on my website: 
http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/sweets/writings/50corporate.htm

There are at least 80 reasons why it&#039;s difficult. Another article I wrote on the subject is &quot;The Purpose of Marraige&quot; http://www.pakistanlink.com/Opinion/2003/Jan/24/10.html

Some women don&#039;t like to hear these things. But if you need feedback from one of the Muslim brothers in America, the above are some troublesome experiences. I think African American Muslim women come with less baggage, than Pakistani American Muslim women. Because for the immigrant muslim women whose mothers were submissive in other male dominated cultures, today there is a lot of power, the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction, and ... power corrupts. Puts a person too much in their ego. And there is a principle:
Ego kills relationship</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All kinds of Muslims in America are faced with the difficult challenge of marriage. I am a man of Indian / Pakistani descent. Many of the points in the article ring true. Both men and Muslim women in America complain that it&#8217;s difficult to find a good mate. In 2005 I wrote an article &#8220;Muslims Not Married in America&#8221;&#8230; <a href="http://www.chowk.com/articles/9312.." rel="nofollow">http://www.chowk.com/articles/9312..</a>. and I&#8217;m still searching : o )<br />
The reasons are many. Some are listed in the article. Others are listed on my website:<br />
<a href="http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/sweets/writings/50corporate.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/sweets/writings/50corporate.htm</a></p>
<p>There are at least 80 reasons why it&#8217;s difficult. Another article I wrote on the subject is &#8220;The Purpose of Marraige&#8221; <a href="http://www.pakistanlink.com/Opinion/2003/Jan/24/10.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pakistanlink.com/Opinion/2003/Jan/24/10.html</a></p>
<p>Some women don&#8217;t like to hear these things. But if you need feedback from one of the Muslim brothers in America, the above are some troublesome experiences. I think African American Muslim women come with less baggage, than Pakistani American Muslim women. Because for the immigrant muslim women whose mothers were submissive in other male dominated cultures, today there is a lot of power, the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction, and &#8230; power corrupts. Puts a person too much in their ego. And there is a principle:<br />
Ego kills relationship</p>
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		<title>By: عبدالكريم الربنسوني</title>
		<link>http://singularvoice.wordpress.com/2007/11/09/why-going-to-morocco-is-not-the-solution/#comment-1828</link>
		<dc:creator>عبدالكريم الربنسوني</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;&gt;Also Allah mentions Christians as people of the book who will be blessed with the paradise based on their deeds.”,&lt;&gt;
حدثني ‏ ‏يونس بن عبد الأعلى ‏ ‏أخبرنا ‏ ‏ابن وهب ‏ ‏قال وأخبرني ‏ ‏عمرو ‏ ‏أن ‏ ‏أبا يونس ‏ ‏حدثه عن ‏ ‏أبي هريرة ‏ 
‏عن رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏أنه قال والذي نفس ‏ ‏محمد ‏ ‏بيده ‏ ‏لا يسمع بي أحد من هذه الأمة 
يهودي ولا نصراني ثم يموت ولم يؤمن بالذي أرسلت به إلا كان من أصحاب النار ‏
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed: By Him in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad, he who amongst the community of Jews or Christians hears about me, but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent and dies in this state (of disbelief), he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&lt;&gt;Also Allah mentions Christians as people of the book who will be blessed with the paradise based on their deeds.”,&lt;&gt;<br />
حدثني ‏ ‏يونس بن عبد الأعلى ‏ ‏أخبرنا ‏ ‏ابن وهب ‏ ‏قال وأخبرني ‏ ‏عمرو ‏ ‏أن ‏ ‏أبا يونس ‏ ‏حدثه عن ‏ ‏أبي هريرة ‏<br />
‏عن رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏أنه قال والذي نفس ‏ ‏محمد ‏ ‏بيده ‏ ‏لا يسمع بي أحد من هذه الأمة<br />
يهودي ولا نصراني ثم يموت ولم يؤمن بالذي أرسلت به إلا كان من أصحاب النار ‏<br />
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed: By Him in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad, he who amongst the community of Jews or Christians hears about me, but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent and dies in this state (of disbelief), he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire</p>
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		<title>By: عبدالكريم الربنسوني</title>
		<link>http://singularvoice.wordpress.com/2007/11/09/why-going-to-morocco-is-not-the-solution/#comment-1827</link>
		<dc:creator>عبدالكريم الربنسوني</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is a non-sequitor for what if i went off of teh advise of the messenger of allah(alahi salaam) then i would have the stereotype of quraishi women for he said:

حدثنا ‏ ‏ابن أبي عمر ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏سفيان بن عيينة ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي الزناد ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏الأعرج ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي هريرة ‏ ‏ح ‏ ‏وعن ‏ ‏ابن طاوس ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبيه ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي هريرة ‏ ‏قال ‏ 
‏قال رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏خير نساء ركبن الإبل ‏ ‏قال ‏ ‏أحدهما صالح نساء ‏ ‏قريش ‏ ‏و قال ‏ ‏الآخر نساء ‏ ‏قريش ‏ ‏أحناه على يتيم في صغره وأرعاه على زوج في ذات يده
Good amongst the women are those who ride camels. One of them said: They are pious women of the Quraish, and the other one said: The women of the Quraish are kind to the orphans in their childhood and look after the wealth of their spouses. ‏ 

if i wanted to seek only quraishi women would i be wrong because i am going off of a stereotype(authu billah ) he spoke from wahy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is a non-sequitor for what if i went off of teh advise of the messenger of allah(alahi salaam) then i would have the stereotype of quraishi women for he said:</p>
<p>حدثنا ‏ ‏ابن أبي عمر ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏سفيان بن عيينة ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي الزناد ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏الأعرج ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي هريرة ‏ ‏ح ‏ ‏وعن ‏ ‏ابن طاوس ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبيه ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏أبي هريرة ‏ ‏قال ‏<br />
‏قال رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏خير نساء ركبن الإبل ‏ ‏قال ‏ ‏أحدهما صالح نساء ‏ ‏قريش ‏ ‏و قال ‏ ‏الآخر نساء ‏ ‏قريش ‏ ‏أحناه على يتيم في صغره وأرعاه على زوج في ذات يده<br />
Good amongst the women are those who ride camels. One of them said: They are pious women of the Quraish, and the other one said: The women of the Quraish are kind to the orphans in their childhood and look after the wealth of their spouses. ‏ </p>
<p>if i wanted to seek only quraishi women would i be wrong because i am going off of a stereotype(authu billah ) he spoke from wahy.</p>
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		<title>By: عبدالكريم الربنسوني</title>
		<link>http://singularvoice.wordpress.com/2007/11/09/why-going-to-morocco-is-not-the-solution/#comment-1826</link>
		<dc:creator>عبدالكريم الربنسوني</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]At some point (and hopefully soon) we’ll wake up and realize that the work of reforming, teaching, and molding the lives of our Black Muslim women into a model of refinement, piety, and Islamic elegance, is the work of Islam.[/quote]
this is not true for allah mentions the effort of refinement is through the effort of the person by allah&#039;s permission. This is her effort and her reward is with allah alhamdullilah. when she reaches this state of reform it would have been by her sweart and tears for this is taken from no other than the saying of allah that he will not change the condition of a person until they change what is in themselves. This is very difficult especially from people who had their fitrah changed for 20,30, even 40 yrs.  islaam is not a home remedy. it is a shafaa as said in allah&#039;s book but just like shafaa the cure comes by one&#039;s effort of tadaw&#039;a(seeking medication)and allah&#039;s permission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]At some point (and hopefully soon) we’ll wake up and realize that the work of reforming, teaching, and molding the lives of our Black Muslim women into a model of refinement, piety, and Islamic elegance, is the work of Islam.[/quote]<br />
this is not true for allah mentions the effort of refinement is through the effort of the person by allah&#8217;s permission. This is her effort and her reward is with allah alhamdullilah. when she reaches this state of reform it would have been by her sweart and tears for this is taken from no other than the saying of allah that he will not change the condition of a person until they change what is in themselves. This is very difficult especially from people who had their fitrah changed for 20,30, even 40 yrs.  islaam is not a home remedy. it is a shafaa as said in allah&#8217;s book but just like shafaa the cure comes by one&#8217;s effort of tadaw&#8217;a(seeking medication)and allah&#8217;s permission.</p>
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		<title>By: عبدالكريم الربنسوني</title>
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		<dc:creator>عبدالكريم الربنسوني</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]the very existence of the African American Muslim as a separate and distinct ethnic group[/quote]
this is not good for the new muslims. islaam is a favor from allah which stipulates that kufr and jahiliyyah must be suppressed. The majority of muslims in morocco did not hold on to a berber ethnic i.d. , neither for egyptians to a qibti i.d., nor sudanese to a nubian i.d., nor shami people to a roman byzantine i.d. 
ethnic i.d. or race i.d. is a dunya thing and can be changed like a brand new car. muslims have to concentrate on trying to emulate the prophets&#039;s (alahi salaam) akhlaaq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]the very existence of the African American Muslim as a separate and distinct ethnic group[/quote]<br />
this is not good for the new muslims. islaam is a favor from allah which stipulates that kufr and jahiliyyah must be suppressed. The majority of muslims in morocco did not hold on to a berber ethnic i.d. , neither for egyptians to a qibti i.d., nor sudanese to a nubian i.d., nor shami people to a roman byzantine i.d.<br />
ethnic i.d. or race i.d. is a dunya thing and can be changed like a brand new car. muslims have to concentrate on trying to emulate the prophets&#8217;s (alahi salaam) akhlaaq.</p>
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		<title>By: عبدالكريم الربنسوني</title>
		<link>http://singularvoice.wordpress.com/2007/11/09/why-going-to-morocco-is-not-the-solution/#comment-1824</link>
		<dc:creator>عبدالكريم الربنسوني</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]What if the shoe were on the other foot? What if African American Muslimahs decided that we were no longer worthy of them, purchased expensive flights half way round the world, only to return with an Arab Muslim husband[/quote] 
This would be very excellent, i believe. The more the non-arabs assimilate into islamic culture the better for the ummah so that we can be raised up on a good aqeedah and manhaaj. This will take the constraints of the corrupted kuffar manhaaj off of the ummat. This would benefit the sisters from america and the ummat as a whole to acculturize into islamic khuluq(culture). I support this because a male convert will not be too much benefit to the sister since he will have baggage of jahiliyah and will be trying to shake it off himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]What if the shoe were on the other foot? What if African American Muslimahs decided that we were no longer worthy of them, purchased expensive flights half way round the world, only to return with an Arab Muslim husband[/quote]<br />
This would be very excellent, i believe. The more the non-arabs assimilate into islamic culture the better for the ummah so that we can be raised up on a good aqeedah and manhaaj. This will take the constraints of the corrupted kuffar manhaaj off of the ummat. This would benefit the sisters from america and the ummat as a whole to acculturize into islamic khuluq(culture). I support this because a male convert will not be too much benefit to the sister since he will have baggage of jahiliyah and will be trying to shake it off himself.</p>
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