Why Blackamerican Muslims Don’t Stand for Justice Pt. 4
With the inauguration of the 1990’s, the Muslim American community was in the firm grip of the immigrants, a result of being better educated, better organized, and awash in cash. They grew so dominant in both strength and numbers that the small, humble communities of Blackamerican Muslims could no longer compete, and over time completely lost their baring and focus. Perhaps not consciously, but by the sheer weight of immigrant dominance and its insular outlook, Blackamerican Muslims were influenced to turn a blind eye to the grievous conditions of their neighborhoods and communities. Some however did not require much pressure, but were themselves all too ready to assume an “alien identity” (Arab, Pakistani, or whatever) in order to facilitate an escape (at least in their own deluded mind) from the realities of being Black in America (more about that in the final installment).
During the late eighties and early nineties we saw wealthier groups of immigrants of every persuasion (Salafi, Sufi, Ikhwani, etc) establish a plethora of new organizations, such as 1.) CAIR, 2.) Holy Land Foundation, 3.) Qur’an and Sunnah Society, 4.) American Muslim Council, 5.) Muslim American Society, 6.) Islamic Assembly of North America, 7.) Muslim Public Affairs Council, 8.) American Muslim Alliance, 9.) Islamic Association of Palestine, 10.) Islamic Supreme Council of America, and others, in addition to the ones already existing, ISNA and ICNA. Their national conferences would grow in size and come to be run more professionally. And I have not even included in this discussion the many large suburban masjids, Islamic Schools, and Muslim businesses that broke ground all around the country; edifices that most Blackamerican Muslims – being inner-city dwellers – would find inaccessible through public transportation. Contrary to this picture, Blackamerican Muslims did not have a single national organization (other than those under Imam W. Deen Mohammed’s leadership) and were fighting an uphill battle to retain the little “storefront” masjids they did have. I vividly recall a number of these sincere, humble efforts to establish storefronts or “house” masjids during this period. To my recollection, none of them lasted more than two years, with most folding within a matter of months.
Meanwhile, something entirely different was happening on the larger scene. This same period (late 80’s early 90’s) witnessed the deterioration of inner cities (DC itself became a war zone), police corruption, drug dependency and outright racism. No one was responding to the cry of the people. The nightly news brought us ‘Tom Brokaw Special Reports”, which depressingly reminded us of the worsening conditions in the black community and how the black male – as if a beast – was declared an “endangered species” in the corridors of academia. The 1991 Rodney King Police beating finally provided the Black community the long awaited proof of a long history of police brutality by the L.A. police department. The 1992 acquittal of King’s Police attackers ignited a wave of rioting and was seen as emblematic of the systemic racism and injustice in society.
Rap and Hip Hop became a potent vehicle channeling the frustrations and growing commitment of the youth to Black consciousness and race pride. Artists such as Public Enemy, KRS-1, Boogie Down Productions, X-Clan, Ice Cube and an assortment of other talented voices were chanting slogans like “no sell out“, “Fight the Power”,”knowledge of self“, “by any means necessary“; even going so far as to invoke pseudo-Islamic mantras in their songs, speeches, posters, and album covers. Popular during this period which I remember well, were leather Africa medallions with the continent of Africa emblazoned on the front. Imbued with a sense of racial pride and self respect, people again were hoisting the red, black and green Pan-African flags. We even saw many whites, Asians and Latinos donning these items that seemed to be visible everywhere you turned.
Somehow or another this youthful demographic got the name “Generation X“, but I don’t think the originators of the term had any idea what the “X” really represented, at least to these impassioned Black youth. To them the “X” meant only one thing… Malcolm X. Malcolm had become a powerful symbol for this new resurgence in Black history and culture. Movie producer Spike Lee released a three hour bio-pic of the mythic figure and even the President of the United States sported a fashionable “X” baseball cap. Some cultural critics during this period wondered aloud whether the new “Malcolm X Revival” was genuine or merely the contrived hype normally attending movie releases. They argued it was a fad, a creation of Pop culture lacking any depth or substance. Admittedly there were some elements of superficiality to the phenomena, but that in no way diminished the strong sentiments of race consciousness which were then informing all aspects of Black life. One cannot forgot that during this period “Afrocentricity” experienced its peak in popularity, and after many spirited discussions and debates, Blackamericans settled upon the term “African-American” as the race’s new designation. No, the interest in Malcolm X was real and heartfelt, and his handsome visage became a powerful symbol and rallying point for these enthusiastic youth. Even the Black churches couldn’t resist the force of the Black Muslim’s influence, carefully working his name and community-empowerment message into their weekly sermons. After carefully reflecting on the events of those days, I have come to the undeniably painful conclusion that being unable to find a live Muslim leader to emulate and follow, the youth clung desperately to the image a dead one.
The Autobiography of Malcolm X was reprinted in hard cover and again became a huge best seller, along with all of his taped speeches. There was a “revolutionary” (in purely social terms) spirit amongst the 1990’s black youth – and that spirit was romantically vested in their martyred hero, Malcolm X. Additionally, these youth expressed contempt for any kind of “turn the other cheek” philosophy. They wanted the ‘revolutionary’ fervor represented by Malcolm. Talk on the street and Black universities concerned “the struggle” and making changes to the corrupt system. We began to see folks greet each other with as-salaam alaikum, sport kufis, and generally disparage “the system” as much as possible. The mood of hopelessness and despair that carried over from the 1980s, along with renewed interest in Malcolm X, provided a nutrient rich, fertile ground for the revival of Islam.
My purpose in attempting to relive the events and feelings of the 90’s was to help us understand, and fully appreciate, the magnificent power of Allah to aid and support His religion (May He be praised and glorified). Before preceding any further, it is necessary to first debunk the absolutely fallacious idea that the incredible growth of Islam in America in the 1990’s was the result of some superior “dawah” effort. It most certainly was not. Allah created the conditions and factors on the ground that primed the people to hear and receive His word, an act decreed fifty thousand years before the earth’s creation! Allah is the best of planners and He guides whom He pleases. It is this that explains why with so little effort, or no effort at all, we witnessed “people entering Allah’s religion in crowds”
I clearly remember this period when scores of young people entered the fold of Islam, many of them at my own hand (Al Humdulillah). It was truly astonishing to behold, and we could in all honesty claim that”Islam was the fastest growing religion in America”.
Unfortunately, here is where the story turns depressingly grim. Had those beautiful Black brothers and sisters – full of passion and zeal for their people and community – been left alone in their innocent “A. Yusef Ali Translation” kind of faith (simple and pure, no heavy “ilm”) they could have changed the community and Allah certainly knows best. But Masha Allah.
After they became Muslim the spirit of activism, community involvement, and social justice was immediately stamped out of them and declared to be of “no benefit” and even “blameworthy”. This act was perpetrated by some immigrant based groups like the Tablighi Jamaah (who, God forgive me, I’ve never understood nor particularly liked), but more importantly the Saudi trained imams who were returning to the states, carrying with them a heavy bundle of strange and alien ideas.
New Muslims who happened to fall under the spell of the Tablighi Jamaah were taught that activities like community involvement, civic responsibility, social activism, and (God forbid) politics, were, to use their language, “worldly” (seeking dunya). All one had to do is concern himself with “purification of the soul” to be a good Muslim. This teaching was of course seized upon by the less reputable brothers in the community and seen as a license for laziness, all the while cloaked in the garb of piety.
However, the Tablighi Jamaah’s influence on Blackamerican Muslims paled in the face of the Salafi Juggernaut which blazed out of the deserts of Arabia, with vast petro-dollars fueling them. Those Saudi trained imams relentlessly criticized and vehemently denounced community involvement! They also managed to convince these new Muslims to discard any notions of improving their societies, but rather, to adopt a posture of isolation and disengagement. This debilitating – indeed pernicious – philosophy would find its way into the Salafi literature and taped lectures, and easily spread throughout the country.
In any event, these 1990’s youth had stores of pent up energy and had to direct it somewhere. Their revolutionary fervor was most often aimed at other Muslims; shouting others down and demanding that all Muslims adhere to the strict literalism that they were being taught (or brainwashed). And what was totally incomprehensible to me – bordering on the retarded – was the way that many of these Salafi “Kool- Aid drinkers” slavishly defended the Saudi throne. Or as one brother put it on the boards: They had more allegiance to Saudi Arabia than their own neighborhoods. I had the “opportunity” to attend a few of their lectures and conferences where they openly mocked and belittled Muslims who believed in community activism, actually calling them unseemly names. They looked down their noses at senior Blackamerican Muslims and take them for ignorant old fools. In general, their complete lack of respect and extremely poor adab (etiquette) toward seniors – Muslim and non-Muslim alike – is disgraceful and shocking! Their teachers taught this etiquette (?) and quoted past scholars (out of context) that were appearing to justify their isolationist positions.
They developed a new industry of tapes and books, which these youth voraciously consumed, being very studious in their new religion while at the same time embracing this new Salafi movement in large numbers. In general, they tended to know more Arabic and appeared to know more about the religion, which could be intimidating at times to other Muslims. As I mentioned earlier, we can credit them for introducing a heightened awareness of aqeedah issues amongst the Muslims, but even this they take too far. For while at the same time that they display an appallingly morbid attachment to theological hairsplitting, they would also insist on absolute conformity in thought and personality.
It is my firm belief that the absence of any kind of indigenous Islamic movement remained the biggest single factor in the ascendancy of the Salafi Movement. By the time it appeared on the scene, all the movements that had preceded it were long since gone. There was nothing to offer these enthusiastic youth, so as a result many of them embraced the Salafi message. They actually fled the more established Blackamerican masjids in order to form their own “Salafi masjids”, or to be more accurate, take over existing ones. The more senior, largely self-taught imams were simply out of their league when compared to the Saudi trained brothers. Through dazzling displays of linguistic fluency and apparent erudition, they were able to bleed the more established masjids of their youthful blood.
If a Blackamerican new Muslim managed to avoid the Salafi movement‘s madness, they probably attended an immigrant dominated masjid where they would be treated to khutbahs about Palestine, Kashmir or some other conflict overseas, and never about what was going on in their own neighborhoods.
So instead of becoming agents for positive change in the community, these young Muslims were instructed to disengage from society, and by so doing be assured of having the correct aqeedah. Really, could anything be more ridiculous than that? What kind of cruel hoax got played on these romantic dreamers who embraced Islam with a passion to change the world, only to be morphed into extreme isolationists who saw no value in bettering the societies in which they live? “Gaining knowledge”(one of their buzz terms) became a goal in and of itself, as opposed to a means of improving our condition and practicing our religion. This is why you found brothers using the excuse of “seeking knowledge” as reasons to not take care of their families and responsibilities. I simply do not have the energy at the present moment (nor do I suspect I ever will) to reiterate the sophestry that poses as an argument for the self-evidently false doctrines of the Salafis. I’ll let the last remnant of their dead-enders do that for me (if anyone really cares to know). I just wondered how on earth we arrived at such a crossroads with our youth that so many of them could be so easily be persuaded to abandon community activism and making a difference. By the end of the 1990’s, thoughts of community involvement and activism had long since vanished from the hearts and minds of these Muslims. Further, because of the bizarre mix of immigrant dominated movements and their issues being pushed firmly to the forefront in that decade, we started to see identity issues in these same youth – who were getting older – in force by the turn of the century.
The attitude of the Muslims in general throughout the 1990’s left us open to a rift between the Muslims and the Black community. Whereas this relationship was strong in the past, these groups had successfully, religiously convinced the Blackamerican Muslims to distance themselves from the communities they grew up in. The Blackamerican Muslims had taken a back seat to the immigrants and were carrying their water and Islam was ceasing to be a force in the Black Community
But as I suggested earlier, I suspect that the main reason Blackamerican Muslims don’t stand for justice is because its easier to simply not be Black at all.
More about that in our final installment.
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Well written and emotional piece of writing. I can remember this period and this brings back memories. I also must ask WHAT HAPPENED??
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JazakAllah khair for this post. I really loved the historical info about Islam in the past. I was born in the 80s, raised in the 90s and now active in the 00s until my death.
Can’t wait for the next post!
Brother Abul Rahman, you should be an historian. Your writing style is superb and your factual knowledge is stellar. I’m just a little sad that you didn’t call out the three “fathers” of the Salafi Dawah in America. We know who they are. All African American, all from the Jersey/philly area. These brothers went to Saudi–some NEVER GRADUATED FROM MEDINA–came back to the states and wreaked HAVOC. It was HORRIBLE!! I know of places that either did or ALMOST did come to violence over statements these brothers have made.
Not to seem conpiratorial, but I don’t think this was an accident at alll. This movement was financed and promoted right around the time of the First Gulf war. This was NOT AN ACCIDENT
Al Hamdulilllah, very well articulated, I would like to hear your opinion of the MANA effort as a new thrust in the African American Muslim community and the potential for a resurgence of Black Muslim Activism.
Brother Muhammad JazakAllah for an astute analysis. One thing that I’d like to point out. The community under the leadership of Imam Warithudeen Mohammad, in my humble estimation, was the sole vanguard against the withering onslaught of isolationism. Imam Mohammad himself came under intense vitrol and savage criticism from those “slave-master-appointed-imams who all too willing to do the bidding of their “massa” for a few crumbs off the master’s table.
And through it all he never EVER stooped to their gutter level. We never abandoned our commitment to be active in ALL spheres of community life, THE REAL DAWAH. Keep up the good work and keep it REAL.
Salaam ‘Alaikum
//If a Blackamerican new Muslim managed to avoid the Salafi movement‘s madness, they probably attended an immigrant dominated masjid where they would be treated to khutbahs about Palestine, Kashmir or some other conflict overseas, and never about what was going on in the ir own neighborhoods.//
I would add that this was the case for any new Muslim, White, Latino/a, Asian, and Native American. Being told over and over that what happens in P-stine and Kashmir is so much more important than what was going on outside of the doors of our own inner city masajid (I don’t know about elsewhere, but in NY and NJ, quite a few immigrant-led masajid are in the ‘hood; I didn’t attend a suburban masjid for years and years).
In 2000, our esteemed “mainstream” organizations opted to endorse (for President) the one who made some (hollow) promises on *foreign* policy, despite his dismal record as governor of TX, which was a red flag on his future domestic policies, over the outcry of Blackamerican Muslim leadership (who were, in the end, literally shut out of a group meeting on this issue). For them, domestic policy was simply not a matter that voting Muslims should have been concerned with. I will never, ever forget that (as I was told by a non-citizen that I “had better vote for Bush because he is going to give us Palestine”), and it irrevocably soured my taste (if I had one) for these groups.
I remember this period too, and how I got caught up in it even though I was never anything near a salafi. And now in my early 30’s I feel it was such a hugely destructive force in my life. I love this deen and it’s attached to me and I am attached to it, but this stuff is shaking the foundation of who I was told I was supposed to be.
i should note too, that Imam Abdul aleem musa and Abdul-Malik Mujahid in Oakland NEVER abandoned the Black community either. It wasn’t just Warithdeen communities that stood against the onslaught, but everyone was under attack. American salafism was a cancer and the single most destructive force in the American Muslim community.
The Salafis’ obsession with obedience to the Saudi King was what always confused me. Rather than teaching these young men and women about everyday life, they would have entire seminars on the subject of obeying the Saudi King and tenaciously drive this point home. It used to be all over their websites too:Here are a few examples
http://wiki.islamedia.ws/Questions_and_Answers_Concerning_the_Muslim_Rulers_By_the_Muftee_of_the_Ummah_Al-‘Allaamah_Abdul_Azeez_Ibn_Abdullah_bin_Baaz
http://www.troid.org/manhaj/reviving-the-sunnah/the-manners-of-correcting-the-ruler.html
http://www.troid.org/ahaadeeth/explanation-of-ahaadeeth/the-obligation-of-obeying-the-rulers-in-that-which-is-l.html
http://salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=14&Topic=216
They would try to emulate Saudi Arabia in their communities and were totally beholden to them. And if a Saudi came around (any Saudi) they would treat him like a King
@ hurting sister
I feel the pain too sister. It is not just the salafis but the other groups too that led us to think that we must leave who we are in order to be muslims. There are so many masjids where the khutbah is not only about what is going on overseas, but it is given in a foreign language. We were made to feel like foreigners in our own country in the masjid.
I hope that things can begin to change with MANA
A vital food for thought as we move forward:
“If you can control a man’s thinking you do not have to worry about his action. When you determine what a man shall think you do not have to concern yourself about what he will do. If you make a man feel that he is inferior, you do not have to compel him to accept an inferior status, for he will seek it himself. If you make a man think that he is justly an outcast, you do not have to order him to the back door. He will go without being told and if there is no back door, he will create one for himself. His very nature will demand one.”
Dr. Carter G. Woodson
The Miseducation of The Negro/1934
br.sabr the quran is in a foreign language too…….Nasser are you with Usama bin laden? because your doing what he does……Abdul Jabaar…are you proud of the rest of the people who graduated from Madeena…..Like Abu usamaa,Tahir wyaat(who is finishing his masters)Imam Talib abdullaah……There are plenty other salafees who studied just as long and longer from other institutions…..So why not warn against the rampant kufr ideaologies taught in the Imam Worped deen Mohamed communities….Oh this is the one who called women to not wear hijab,when you find them wearing hijab what is it?????? skimpy,tight and make-up….many of them indulging in riba ,buying homes and cars on interest,and premarital sex and dating, the same Imam who has went back to praising his false prophet father,speaking at “False Prophet’s Day”.and countless other mistakes(which led many to believe he’s not a muslim)..I’ll post them as we blog…LoL…..All that haraam and you think nationalism is gonna save the day…..How can Jahiliyaah save the day??????? Unlissted2007..You want to use the same blueprints of failure…..Is the black man doing good or is his neighborhoods still run down,no work,drug dealing,welfare, and loads of other filth….We say being realistic it is in the salafee commmunites… stagnant old black baggage….but the dawah isnt geared towards that….it returns back to the people…….Just like when something blows up and a muslim does it ….it’s the bad muslim….not islam…Unlissted2007 Too-shay
br.sabr the quran is in a foreign language too…….Nasser are you with Usama bin laden? because your doing what he does……Abdul Jabaar…are you proud of the rest of the people who graduated from Madeena…..Like Abu usamaa,Tahir wyaat(who is finishing his masters)Imam Talib abdullaah……There are plenty other salafees who studied just as long and longer from other institutions…..So why not warn against the rampant kufr ideaologies taught in the Imam Worped deen Mohamed communities….Oh this is the one who called women to not wear hijab,when you find them wearing hijab what is it?????? skimpy,tight and make-up….many of them indulging in riba ,buying homes and cars on interest,and premarital sex and dating, the same Imam who has went back to praising his false prophet father,speaking at “False Prophet’s Day”.and countless other mistakes(which led many to believe he’s not a muslim)..I’ll post them as we blog…LoL…..All that haraam and you think nationalism is gonna save the day…..How can Jahiliyaah save the day??????? Unlissted2007..You want to use the same blueprints of failure…..Is the black man doing good or is his neighborhoods still run down,no work,drug dealing,welfare, and loads of other filth….We say being realistic it is in the salafee commmunites… stagnant old black baggage….but the dawah isnt geared towards that….it returns back to the people…….Just like when something blows up and a muslim does it ….it’s the bad muslim….not islam…Unlissted2007 Too-shay
There are Masjids all over the country where the Kutba is in URDU AND ARABIC??!! Not English and ARABIC, but URDU and ARABIC. I live in a city where one of the oldest Masjids has an Imam that SPEAKS NO ENGLISH, but URDU. What sense does that make??? Hence, the Arabs are not the only ones guilty of this cultural Islam. In many ways the Pakistanis are worse and MUCH more racisit.
Unlissted:
WHAT ARE YOU BABELING ABOUT??? I am not a follower of WD Muhammd because of many of the problems you listed. Also, I know PLENTY of Arabs FROM THE GULF buying houses on Riba. SAUDI ARBIA FINANCED THE DEVLOPMENT OF ITS INFRASTRUCTURE WITH INTREST FROM U.S. TREASURY BONDS, do you protest Bayt ul Kaaba using “kaffir” Riba to finance development? . Let’s not talk about Halal financial transactions and compare the Saudi Royal family and Saudi government (the birthplace of this horrid salafi dawah.)
Brother, some of these “Imams” that graduated from Islamic University of Medina were actually worse than the ones that dropped out. We will not get into naming names.. though the temptation is VERY VERY GREAT.
The Salafi Dawah is a horrid fitna that is almost characteristic of the Khawarij of old. Slanderous, libelous, and just horrid. They have destroyed the lives of COUNTLESS Muslims in the last 20 years.
ISLAM was made by Allah.. The Salafi dawah was created by men. The two are not the same. Though in the twisted minds of the Salafis, they think so.
Unlissted you completely missed the point. Should we be trying to SOLVE problems or busying ourselves arguing over the King of Saudi Arabia? I don’t care who is King of Saudi Arabia. Why do people like you think that I should leave concern for the ills of my own neighborhood to defend the King of Saudi? I would say the same to the people that wanted us to only talk about OVERTHROWING the King of Saudi Arabia. That is not our concern. But I don’t suppose you get it because you all are so deep into Saudi politics it is pathetic
Why do we have to be FLUNKIES and speak with FAKE ACCENTS and lower ourselves to the immigrants?
You list all these problems, but only want to rant about them in khutbahs and lectures but not HELP THE PEOPLE out of it by inviting them to Islam. No, you people want to BLAST THEM and alienate them and talk and laugh about them and look down your noses at them.
That is why you people are irrelevant. As for the rest of us, we will start to SOLVE problems in an Islamic manner
@ Abdul Jabbar
Unlissted is only displaying just who beholden they are to the Saudis and how they could care less about the very people that live in their own neighborhoods
If any of you care to scrutinize any leader do so in the manner and dictates of the Qur’an and the Excellence of the character of the Messenger of Allah (pbuh). Otherwise you’re just niggers with muslim names.
I was born into islam and saw the changes of the 80’s and 90’s. I DONT CARE how you buy your house, just buy one! Black people need the stability of homeownership. There is no compulsion in religion. Paradise is offered to those that follow the pillars of Islam. As I recall, hijab and interest were not amongst them, unless you know better than the counsel given by Prophet Muhammad (SAW). I DON’T CARE how my fellow sisters are dressed, how much arabic they speak, so long as we pray, fast, give Zakat (to our communities), and seek Hajj together. Leave judgement for Allah, and embrace one another. I am imspired by your series, I wished you would have mentioned the damage that sexist segragation has done to our communities as well. Black women are the back bone of our communities; reducing them to the sidelines has crippled us.
Brother Robert Salaam:
I CLEARLY believe you have gone WAY to far in the other direction. The positions you advocate are exactly what gives the Salafis credence in the eyes of many Muslims. “I don’t care how you buy your house or car.” or “I don’t care how a Muslim woman dresses.” Well if you don’t, Allah subhana-wa tala does. Read the Quran brother.
Are we Muslims, or Christians that make Salaat? Subhanallah.
By the way brother..what has weakened our communites are the shortcomings of our MEN, not the segregation from our women.
as salaam alaikum
abdul aleem why the N word? I mean, because you disagree with someone’s behavior you have to go there? what about arabs and white folks and desis who have poor adaab are they sand niggers, peckerwoods and towel heads? really we can’t get anywhere until we start to have some very basic love for ourselves and one another, and it doesn’t begin with racial degradation.
Abdul alim -
You are a devil!!!
I’m simply referring to the mentality and attitudes that I see as sooooo pervasive in the African American muslim community. We as a people have to seriously come to grips with how we behave towards each other and that we still suffer from post traumatic slave syndromes.
Br. Abdul Jabbar, As Salaam Alaikum,
I was just informed by my wife that she mistakenly made a comment under my log in. I Robert Salaam have my own blog “The American Muslim” and as such am always logged in. So actually, the comments were by my wife, as indicative of her statement “born into Islam” as I am actually a convert to Islam.
Now that I have read her comment and yours, I have to agree that I understand the intention behind her remarks.
I do not believe she means that she doesn’t care about Islamic laws, rulings, etc. However, what she brought to the forefront is the concept of Niyyah and how we seem to be greatly lacking that when we look down our noses at other brothers and sisters.
As a people, we get so caught up in many different things that we loose our focus. When it comes to buying homes in the West, I believe that Allah (swt) judges us according to our intention. Is it more important that we use a system that is opposed to Islam and buy a home for our family and make ourselves more stable until we can do better, or is it best that we just do without, continue to struggle, and possibly live off of the system.
Contrary to the dream that many of us that convert to Islam may have, converting to Islam in America does not automatically put us in a class or a standard that is comparable with our immigrant brothers and sisters. Many of us cannot escape the condition(s) we were born in as a community.
In fact, I believe in our zeal to embrace Islam, we also tend to not consider the very real realities of what it means to be black in America.
Maybe, my wife and I are wrong, but we truly believe that Allah (swt) knows best and would rather we better ourselves and condition for the betterment of our family, rather than stay in the same condition and sometimes worse, because in our zeal we want to attempt at crossing every “T” and dotting every “I”.
My wife by the way is a Hijabi, but her point is as I believe that when we focus on these things instead of those that will have the greatest impact we lose our focus. Especially during this time, when our focus should be on unity, it is these issues that divide an already heavily divided community.
This is why I believe Allah (swt) revealed “That true piety doesn’t consist of turning to the east or the west….” This is because those of us like our Salafi brothers and sisters that you mentioned, get so caught up in these things that we become as the Jews during the time of Prophet Isa (as) where we strain at gnat…..
We, especially the black community need to focus on the on the spiritual intention and principle behind the guidance of Allah (swt) in order to come together on our similarities not our differences, lest we truly become as you commented like Christians for real and the rest of our black non-Muslim brethren, stricken with the crab in a bucket syndrome.
In the end Allah (swt) knows Best!
brother robert salam,
you need to know your Deen because he statement you just made was incorrect. i take it that you are from warithu deen muhammad
grupe ,still not complying with th sunnah of houre belove prophet p.b.w.h maybe your sisters can run around with there tails hanging out ,but not those who practice the sunnah dont do that.we know that
the people who follow warithu deen muhammad dont no to much about the sunnah,that why you made that statement about buying a houes, or sisters covering them selfs.for ALLAHhas said O BELIEVERS
COVER YOUR SELFS WHEN YOU GO OUT OF YOUR HOMES.LEARN YOUR DEEN BROTHER SALAM.
Hurting sister I agree that there were a few Imams who stood firm and held the line. Imam Musa never forgot about the struggle that was going on in this country . Unfortunely many of us accepted islam and then decided to distance ourselves from our reality.Struggle for some reason became unpopular in the Islamic community.Even though there is great reward for the one who strives to make Allah deen supreme. Iqaamatideen my sister, this what many of great islamic scholars were about. Notice how in the past few years both the Super duper salafi’s and commercialised sufi’s have attack luminaries of the islamic struggle.Hassan Al Banna,SayyidQutb and Sayyid Abul A’la Maududi, like they didn’t do anything for the promotion of islam. Remember that two of them died for the cause of islam .These men were once looked up in Africian American muslim communties because of their commitment to struggle. Until the foaming at the mouth youngsters who were influenced by a few older North American student’s of knowledge and their Shaykhs started to disparge them. Arm chair students of knowledge who just talk about the religion but never give any answers or steps how it can be established.At least with the Tabligh we know that their program is confined to the four corners of the masjid, and calling muslms to come back to the masjid.But the super dupers are suppose to have a better program . Unfortunely its nothing but ilm on line programs with the 5 or 10 shaykhs they take knowledge from, and conferences rented in hotels owned by the kuffar. Ridiculous isn’t that we African American Muslims have succumb to this brainwashing.I do subscribe to this creed in my aqeedah beliefs but like any one else who dosen’t subscribe to the super-duper mentality, I guess I am off the minhaj as well as.I guess you know there are only few shaykhs you can take knowledge from, isn’t this absurd? But this is what is being pushed and many of us have fallen into this trick bag .But reading this blog of Abdur Rahman and also brother Tariq Nelson, I see were waking up.We want to see some change for the better in our communties and this is a good sign, as the brother said in one his earlier blogs, “the future is bright”. My Salams ,my brothers and sisters iin this beautiful Deen.
ASA:
Bro: Musa
If the brother doesn’t identify himself with any group then it would be best if you keep your assumptions to yourself. There is no point or benefit in slandering an entire group of sisters or brothers, and make blanket accusations as if you know them all personally and can attest to their level of knowledge or Iman.
On to complex issue of riba:
Most of you who speak about riba and houses have absolutely NO idea what the fiqh rules on riba are and just how vast of the history it has. This issue isn’t talked about in general at any masjids regardless of sect. I’m not sure why, but it could be that finance is generally termed a boring subject and no sect has a vast amount of leaders east or west who can talk about the subject in logical detail. Some will know western finance and hardly any history of the terrible start up blunders from the time of the 1st 4 Khalifah’s. Then you have the other group who might know some eastern finance history but never explain it in detail outside of all riba is haram and therefore anything involving western finance concepts is haram and he/she hasn’t the slightest idea of the dept of the western construct either. *sighs*
Anyway..
All interest isn’t haram and a person is allowed to make a reasonable profit on his/her investments. All financial systems before, during and after the time of the Prophet (pbuh) aren’t Islamic in any way. The only thing the scholars can agree on is that excessive Riba is harmful and should be avoided at any cost but none agree on the limits of this riba. Uthman (ra) and Umar (ra) got into a lot of trouble over the way they issued zakat and whom they entrusted these issues to; which had a lot to do with their leadership coming under attack from various angles. Both thought what they were doing was technically ok since there wasn’t an official rule in Quran about it and this was all trail and error. However, there decisions did have detrimental effects on the ummah and the political stage. Ali (ra) had his set of problems with the wealth management of the “state” too, but it was more because of the people under him had faulty Islamic personalities and the mindset of old Mecca than anything else.
Some did better in the distribution of wealth and some not so good. However, every system they used was borrowed form old systems before Islam and over time Empires adopted their own systems according to their customs and understanding. It’s wide open subject to be sure.
However, now we have people taking advice on the riba issue from men who have very little to any classical understanding of the figh of finance.
Running around yelling all riba is haram while at the same time taking advantage of check accounts, renting apartments, and going out and buying any item would technically make you in VIOLATION of this blanket statement that so many people say in ignorance.
PLEASE go get some knowledge on this subject before you yell all riba is haram. Making yourself feel good by going to “Islamic Banks” which still works in conjunction with the current market stage just so you can “feel better” because they told you As Salaam Alaikum; all the while robbing you 40% more than a conventional bank isn’t a valid excuse.
No one in leadership in the WD community has ever told its members to go out and get your self a house by any means necessary. So stop the games… They have the so called “Islamic banks” come and give presentations just like any other convention would do. (As a future Economist I’m some what against this.) All of these systems have serious problems in theory and end up costing the average Muslim so much more in funds.
Don’t throw double standards at one community knowing full well that ALL THE REST isn’t adhering to it either. No community has 100% membership that is buying their houses in some form riba free. So why aren’t you out there showing your contempt equally for them? WD community members like all other communities probably do what’s best for their individual family and don’t go around announcing how they got into the house just like all the other communities.
No Salafi should say a word about a strict interpretation of RIBA while the saudi currency is actively traded on the 4x spot market and valued in conjunction to the dollar instead of gold, silver, or platinum. It’s laughable…. so please stop.
Changing the word “interest” with the word “Fee” doesn’t make is any more Halal. Lolol
Personally, I’m not comfortable telling anyone to use the services of any so called “Islamic bank” or conventional bank, but at the same time I’m not going to tell you to purposely continue to rent an apartment so you can pay someone else’s principle, interest and plus be charged a premium (profit). This isn’t the logical solution either and I can’t certain say how it’s any more halal than getting your self a house. They’re certainly no tax break or return in it for you. It doesn’t help establish you family or leave something of value to your kids.
I find the hardcore people on this issue tend to be the people with the worst credit. If we paid all our bills on time and didn’t live beyond our needs then you can get a house and pay it off in half the time with just 1 extra mortgage payment a year. Therefore, cutting the amount of riba you would have to come into contact with in the 1st place. With good credit you could lower your rate (conventional bank) or “fee” (Islamic bank) thus, cutting down even more on the possible extra premium you might have to pay. Be willing to relocate, lower your standards when it comes to the choice of neighborhoods and save at least 8-15k for closing cost (conventional bank) or 15-26k in process “fees” (Islamic bank).
You can start a community in apartments but the community can’t build to any significant levels if you want to effect real change in those communities without home owners.
See: Zakah and Waqf — Form & Substance Revisited
http://elgamal.blogspot.com/
For the inner financial details and politics during the time of the 1st four Khalifah’s you could go to: http://www.islamiccenterdc.com/khutbassermons.htm
and hit up http://mydailyfatwa.blogspot.com/2007/01/problem-in-islamic-finance.html for a bunch of nerds talking about the serious problems “Islamic Finance” schemes in our current market place.
musa abdur rahman – December 6, 2007
brother robert salam,
you need to know your Deen because he statement you just made was incorrect. i take it that you are from warithu deen muhammad
grupe ,still not complying with th sunnah of houre belove prophet p.b.w.h maybe your sisters can run around with there tails hanging out ,but not those who practice the sunnah dont do that.we know that
the people who follow warithu deen muhammad dont no to much about the sunnah,that why you made that statement about buying a houes, or sisters covering them selfs.for ALLAHhas said O BELIEVERS
COVER YOUR SELFS WHEN YOU GO OUT OF YOUR HOMES.LEARN YOUR DEEN BROTHER SALAM.
Comments such as this was what I was talking about. First and foremost, no I am not a follower of Iman Muhammad, however it appears that you have a problem with him and his followers as you say they don’t follow the sunnah, and implied I don’t and decided to put me in that box.
It’s truly a shame that you come on here talking about deen yet openly backbite. If you read what I wrote, you would see that I said my wife is a Hijabi i.e. covered. No where in my text here nor anywhere I have written or spoke have I ever advocated otherwise. Yet, you having knowledge of the unseen, God-forbid, decide to attempt at slander to your brother in Islam.
My argument was about principle/intention vs practice. While many of us like to believe we are sahabbah that is not the case, and even with many of them, they were often corrected.
But many of us, especially black Americans come to Islam and all of a sudden act as if we live in the desert of Arabia in the 7th century.
Islam is not a past religion. It’s a religion for all times. Until we recognize that and see Islam in the very real context of our everyday lives, we will continue to argue about usury, while our people continue to be homeless, orphaned, and poor.
If you want to let your life revolve around who has hijab on and who does not, have fun. I prefer advancing the cause of Islam and helping the Ummah….ALL OF THEM.
Walaikum Salaam Bro. Rahman. You make
a number of good points. The argument against
community building and social justice on the basis of
promoting nationalism, however, particularly for one
of the most disenfranchised groups of people in this
country, misses an important component of the deen of
Al-Islam. (I’m not necessarily saying that your
comments fall into this category.) When we look at the
history of Islam and the condition of Arabia at the
time that Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) received revelation,
it’s important to note that the Prophet (SAWS) not
only brought religion or the belief in one G’d,
establishment of prayer, etc., but also Islam changed
the social order and condition of Arabia, particularly
with regard to the status of women, orphans, charity
and combated important social issues during that time
such as infanticide and tribalism that were destroying
the moral fiber of the communities in Mecca.
Indeed, when one looks at the state of
African-Americans in this country, due in part to
slavery and its enduring psychological and social
legacy, one can not help but ask “why aren’t Muslims
standing for justice.” And, of course, many of us are
working on community building, etc, but perhaps not
enough of us. This is not a nationalistic issue.
This is a justice issue. Charity both in the form of
one’s time and resources are sorely needed,
particularly for groups of people who are suffering
across this country and around the world, and we do
need to look at ways in which we can effect positive
change. When one looks at the high incarceration
rates among African-American males; the high incidence
of HIV/AIDS among African-Americans, with women
comprising the highest number of new infections; the
number of African-American children being raised in
single-parent households, not to mention the poverty
and other issues that correlate with single-parent
homes; and the predicted number of African-American
women who will never marry supposedly, it’s easy to
argue that the African-American community in general
is facing a crisis, and that action is required on the
part of all of us, particularly, Muslims whose deen
calls for charity, morality and social justice.
Churches have been doing this kind of work for years,
and to some extent the Jewish community does this as
well, particularly for their own communities and
Israel. This isn’t an African-American problem, it’s
a national problem.
ASA,
There is no doubt that the Salafi da’wah was a big blow to the activist spirit of Blackamerican Muslims.
There wasn’t a direct connection made in these postings that I would like to bring up in regards to the rise of Salafi da’wah in America as a counter-balance to the Iranian revolution. The Carter administration and Reagan’s were extremely worried about the influence of the Iranian revolution on all Muslims. No doubt, I’m sure they were scared of the spirit of this revolution infecting Blackamerican Muslims.
Shi’ism, especially the Wilaayatul faqeeh theory of Al-Khumayni, espouses revolution and activism unlike Salafism. Therefore, I truly think that the Salafi influence was welcomed with open arms be government officials to passify us and keep our minds occupied with pants leg length, beard length, hand positioning in salat, etc instead of doing something for ourselves and challenging the status quo.
I’m not implying that immigrant Shi’is have been anymore involved in social activism than immigrant Sunnis were in the 80s and 90s; they weren’t. I’m speaking about the influence of doctrine and methodology.
It was also related to me that Dr. Khalid Al-Mansour said years ago that during the Carter administration, there was also a expressed concern at the highest levels of government about the unification of immigrant Muslims with indigenous Muslims for a common agenda.
If there is veracity in this statement of Dr. Al-Mansour, a lot of conclusions can be drawn about the direction of our national leadership from the late 70s to the late 80s.
Brotjher Musa I agree with you,this issue of ribba is very complex.Mufti taqi usmani and his brother Rafi I know are suppose experts in this fieldI. I know that Ilmquest the cd, company out of Houston,Tx has produce a cd with a brother talking about these issues.There are few Islamic finance companies established in this country.But I myself believe there is some interest occuring in these mortage loans that people take with these companies. As long as you deal with paper money there will always be a undercurrent of ribba in these types of financial deals.This topic should be left to the experts..
Never was there a more historically inaccurate account in this series than this one. Anyone that knows anything about Saudi petro-dollars and how they were being spent knows that they were not be given to “Salafi” du’at in the USA.
During the time period you speak of most Salafi dua’t were from Egypt, Morrocco, Jordan, and Kuwait, not Saudi.
Additionally, Saudi Arabia at this time was actively giving money to the WD community, ISNA, and other select Masjids in the states. They, i.e. Saudi Arabia in the form of WAMY, MWL, and the Ministry of Islamic Affairs were for the most part supporting Ikhwani establishments and efforts, as those Saudi groups were at that time largely controlled by Saudi Ikhwan or their sympathizers.
To illustrate this fact even further, there is not a single Graduate of Medina, Riyadh, or Makkah (and certainly not one proclaiming a ‘Salafi’ Manhaj) that is receiving money from the Saudi. Why?
Because the saudis like thier immigrant brethen in the states do not see AA’s as real enough of Muslims, or simply do not trust converts as real enough to support.
You can do a lot better with this series, but I would advise you to be a bit more impartial in approach and verify your statements a bit more.
Tele links aren’t being made from African American Salafi Masjids to ulema in Egyptt. They are being made to the Shayuk in Saudi. Who do you think was putting out Salafi books like the Noble Quran and the translation of Bukhari: Saudi. Brother A, DARULISLAM PUBLICATIONS: SAIDI! That is the home of much of the English translated Salafi work. Try reading a Yusef Ali tafsir of quran in a Salafi Masjid….not happening. The fact that the African American Salafi Imams got their education from Saudi for free, shows that Saudi financied this “movement” Salafiya is a product of Saudi Arabia, plain and simple.
Abdul Jabbar get a grip we are not talking about nowadays we are talking about the 90’s.
We are not talking about Quran translations we are talking about funding a movement.
Get a grip and read what other wrote before you start talking about something you know nothing about.
Anyone that knows anything about the Salafi movement in the states knows that QSS and IANA were started by Palestinians, Lebonese, Egytpians and Kuwaitis, not Saudis.
There is a difference between ideological influence and financial support.
Have you ever wondered why the Salafi movement didnt spread in the AA community before AA’s went to Medina, even though it had been in the states for some 20 years? Because unlike others the saudis had the common decency to teach new muslims something about Islam.
This topic is much to nuanced to be discussed simply over a blog, and so many people claim they know what went on but dont have a clue.
@ Brother A
All due respect, but I was there.
I did not say that QSS and IANA were started by the Saudis. I DID mention that they funded the students going to study at their universities. This is a major point that can not be dismissed. They also funded much of the literature that was spread throughout the 1990s. Also there was the IIASA here in the DC area that was Saudi funded and spread their ideology.
It would have been nice for the brothers to go study Islam without the politics of tenaciously defending the Saudi throne. I did not care one way or the other about the Saudi throne, but the way the salafi brothers would relentlessly ram it down your throat at the time was a bit much.
The point was that the salafi movement did bring a few good things (focus on correct aqeedah) but the belittling of other Muslims, defense of the Saudi throne and religious hairsplitting made the movement into a distraction that stunted our growth as Muslims
Distraction??? How about a NIGHTMARE!!!!
The salafis are too reclusive and just flat out mean to spread their ideology these days. They used to do it via bullying. I think we all agree (even the salafis) that salafis don’t think that working in one’s community and standing for justice is “Islamic”. Perhaps they think it is grave worship?
Bro. Abdul Jabbar,
I was merely trying to be diplomatic, but on second thought, “nightmare” is definitely more accurate. Thank you for the correction. I’ll try not to get “weak-kneed” again.
“Had those beautiful Black brothers and sisters – full of passion and zeal for their people and community – been left alone in their innocent “A. Yusef Ali Translation” kind of faith (simple and pure, no heavy “ilm”) they could have changed the community and Allah certainly knows best. But Masha Allah.”
*sighs*
This is the best statement you’ve made out the entire article. They ran sooooooooo many people way like that. It’s sad
Obviously brother’s there was a silence in the community for social justice way before salafi movement really got strong in the Africian community.That why you would see sunni muslim unfortunely converting over shism especially around the time of the Iranian revoultion.Some even left a few years later to fight in Afghanstian aganist the Soviet communist invaders.There was recruitment that took place in certain cities .As you all know this goverment had no real problem with that .African american muslims who went over to fight the communist dogs I believe were very sincere.Many I am sure saw this as a way of also being a part of tht international islamic movement .Remember brothers participating from around the globe .Unfortunely after the russian dogs were driven out there turnmoil amongst the different groups who fought alongside one another.I am talking about the afghan mujahdeen .In americia at this time programs that were benfetting the poor starting being cut.The Regan revoultion was coming into full effect.The American goverment was funding and participating in all kinds of covert operations .Progressive goverments came about in Africa, Latin America and carribean many with socialist leanings.The west knew there would be some changes.Thomas Sankara , Samori Mitchell, Maurice Bishop and Daniel Ortega and many others leaders were working for change. Africian leaders and Latin leaders had held summits togheter.Castro was still a pain in westren imperalism side.Also cubans went and helped out in Angola and Namibia to relieve those countries of the southafrican ttoops and the neocolonial flunkies. Joesph savambi was financed and armed by both america and southafricia.Predominatly muslims countries Niger ,SenegalMali and Sudan were in the grisps of the west.Many of these muslims from these countries would flee to France and Americia.Africian Americians wouldbe at the forefront of making changein Africa.African american muslims on a large scale did not participate in these struggles to bring change in africia.Mainly it was the Pan Africianist andthe nationalist.Remember many of these activties would take place on college campsuses.Imean the meetings and rallies.Imagine all the dawa that could of been done.Even malcolnX was claimed bythe nonmuslims more than the muslims.No emphasis was placed on africian islamic history and scholars.That does mean we would go into a narrow minded bag and only take from our scholars.The haqq is the Haqq I do not care what part of the world it comes from.It’s time to regroup and claim our proper place in the islamic movement.The movement will always be about sovergnity of Allah.Tawheed,Prophethood,Aqeedah And Fiqh of seerah will always shape our thought.The only just social order is islam.My salams my beautiful brothers and sisters.
It is high time that we unite among ourselves and focus our energies on our numerous issues affecting the African American community here at home. No matter what muslim jamaat we belong to as long as we stand on La ilaha illallah, Muhammadur Rasullah and be firm in that, it is my firm conviction that Allah will bring us together. That’s my fervent hope and prayer.
We are all, as Muslims of different faces and places, in need of one another. I must say, despite all that has been said, that I have gained some good from all the various “groups” that I have had interactions with. We will not lose to those who do not believe in and obey Allah, glorified be His name, we will lose amongst ourselves by allowing division, and this was said by our messenger Muhammad, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him. We can not blame anyone for our condition as African Americans, not now that the truth is clear. There was a time in our history as African American Muslims, that the truth was not manifest and kept hidden. My aunt, now in her 80’s, can recall a time when they were not allowed to read the Quran (Nation of Islam) because they were told they were not ready. But, by Allah’s decree, we have crossed paths with our fellow Muslims from different lands, and we have a clearer understanding of our faith. This has been my experience. I don’t know that I would have learned the correct understanding of Islam had I closed myself to immigrant Muslims. So all the finger pointing aside, I ask you to reflect on your growth as a Muslim, I doubt it was done alone, with out the help of others, regardless of who they were. Is it correct for us to be so proud and not admit that we have learned from others? A sister once said to me that everyone, including Rasoolulah (s), had a teacher. His teacher was Gabriel, who was sent to him from Allah and who told him “Iqra” when he did not know.
I think this is a distraction from the real issues at hand, but I am glad it is being discussed, because inshaAllah we can acknowledge it, this mark in our history, and move forword. And now that we know, what will we do?
Allah does not address us by our races and places, or by our shayks, or our titles or any of the other names we give ourselves or others, we are addressed as Muslims, Believers, Good doers…Let us see eachother in the same.
If we are sincere and act accordingly, our condition will change. Allah says he does not change a condition of a people until they change what is in themselves. Our specific problems will change when we change ourselves. If we believe we are being oppressed by our fellow Muslims, we need to stop the oppression by holding their hands from oppression, as we have been taught. How many of us have went to our fellow immigrant Muslims and discussed these issues? So many times we have given up without a fight and I don’t know, where did all the African American brothers here in Minnesota go? If you are reading this, our sons need you. May Allah guide us and give us the strength we need to speak out and stand up. And sisters out there with sons to raise, my advice for us is to remind and teach our sons about our Messenger Muhammad, the best model of man, who was an orphan and who Allah raised to great heights, by His word.
Oh, my fellow brothers and sisters in and through Islam, and by our common struggle, I love you all for the pleasure of Allah. I hope this heals and I pray this helps. I know the heaviness our hearts contain. Ameen.
This series has been on the hearts and tongues of so many for a very long time. Reading it brought back the pain I felt when I awakened from the stupor of that salafi narcotic. I can’t thank you enough for putting this out.
I remember the times when being an activist for my community was what I ate, drank, and slept. This was up until I embraced Islam and ran into those brothers who,” blazed out of the deserts of Arabia.”
I have seen with my own eyes, brothers break down into tears, after they realize what happened, and how many years passed them by as a result.
It is important for us to realize, remember, and reflect, but also we’ve got to get back up, brush our knees off, and STAND FOR JUSTICE.”
SALAM,
i would like to take you back about 38 years ago when the brotherhood was sweet, it was a time when you would see your brother or sister coming down the street and you could smell the
sweetness and a smile coming from each other. those days are over now. you would be lucky if you get a salaam now with this new salafi stuff they put into the milk, the brothers went over to the middle east to learn some Deen ,and some of the brothers did just that.and there were those who went over and brought this salafi thing back
with them. they were made IMAMS over there to disrupt the strong
brotherhood that was here. don’ miss understand me there are good brothers who go over to learn the arabic but some just go hung up.
[...] Part Four [...]
assalamaalikum akhi AbdurRahman
I thought hard and long about commenting here, and perhaps I should have chosen not to, so forgive me in advance for my ignorance. I do recognize and feel your sincerity and can see that your sentiments are emanating from the heart and soul. I also do recognize (and you’ll find my comments on Umar’s series) and take strong objection to the extremism of the “super-salafis”. I have also written about the immigrant/AA relationships in an old series that I may reignite, and I fully support efforts such as MANA, etc. So, pls keep these disclaimers in mind when you read the next comments:
-The whole salafi-bashing thing is becoming, IMHO, a bit old and a bit boring. I know that is not your goal. But I think all that needs to be said on this topic has already been said (I am of course referring to the series on Umar’s blog), and everything left is just recycle and churn. So, the benefit is gone, and the talk is devoid of it.
-It is disheartening to read over and over again, that a strain of the “salafi-movement-mentality” which hit the AA community of northeast is somehow supposed to represent this dawah in the balance of America and even the world?! So, you know or should know that many of the issues that Tariq and you have been pointing out were indeed limited to the AA community in the NE. The polygamous musical chairs, the stranger marriages, and the social problems were not seen in most other communities.
-We have to be just, even with our enemies. So, my question is, and I honestly don’t know the answer, did the salafi movement actually bring many people to Islam or not? In other words, absent this movement, would there be as many or even three-quarters of the Muslims that are among the AA brothers today? IF the answer is that indeed people did become Muslims, then isn’t an imperfect Muslim better than not being a Muslim at all?
-The “saudi petro dollars” thing is again one of those lame charges that is so often thrown around, even by the Islamophobes, that it steals credibility from a good argument. The dawah came because people liked it and brought it. This is no different from any dawah in the history of our Ummah. The question is what strain of that dawah, who was the harbinger of that dawah, and was that dawah correctly and fully applicable to the situations? Or was the approach a complete misfit?
Finally, I believe the important question no longer is how the “salafis screwed the AA community of NE”. Thats water under the bridge. Rather the “super salafis” still exist and are still dominant in this part of the country. So, how do the indigenous brothers like you and Tariq give the sort of dawah that will allow the correct applications of the Ahl Sunnah dawah to stay, while weaning them off the incorrect Saudi approach (which should stay in Saudi) to social issues? Because you know as I do, that an “in your face” attitude that rips apart the scholars and history that they STILL value, will fall flat and way short of goals to change the situation. So, when and how will the change come in a way that is kind and humble and acceptable?
wallahualam
P.S. Shout-out to my brother Abdul-Alim, who I love for the sake of Allah, and who was my first Ansaar in Philadelphia
wa alaikum assalaam warahmatullah Br Amad
Thanks for commenting and know that I enjoy intellectual debate as long as it is done in good Islamic spirit as you have done. I will try to take the points one by one
First, I understand you concerns about talking about the salafi movement, but I think you may be sensitive to the charges because you may have been connected to them in some way. If one reads my series, you will also see that I mentioned the Tablighi Jamaat and immigrant organizations as well, but I see no such defense of them.
My point is that we can’t get to the core of the refusal of blackamerican Muslims to engage the society without some discussion of the 1990’s salafi movement. They had a significant affect on causing blackamerican Muslims to stop seeing themselves as part of the society. One simply can not ignore them in the equation
All due respect brother, but that is a strawman. I didn’t say that every salafi in the world (or even America or even the NE) behaved at the Blackamerican salafis do. Remember that my concentration is on Blackamerican Muslims and not all Muslims throughout America or the world. The fact is that when we speak of Blackamerican Muslims, the vast majority of us are in the NE. There is no other region in US that even comes close to the number of Blackamerican Muslims that are in the NE. (with Chicago and Detroit having significant but much smaller pockets)
Outside of the NE, immigrants make up the VAST majority of the Muslims. The immigrant salafis – along with the other immigrant Muslims – are more educated, have more money and have more stable family backgrounds. This can not be dismissed. It was very damaging for the salafi brothers to be told to ignore their MASSIVE problems in favor of Saudi politics. It is time to stop ignoring these things and move to solve these things.
Br Amad, you are actually making my point here. Remember I am talking about Blackamerican Muslims. I will only add – beyond repeating that the VAST MAJORITY of Blackamerican Muslims are in the NE – that Blackamericans in other parts of the country have similar issues though they are in much smaller numbers than the immigrants and the issues may not be as magnified as they are here in the NE. So do you see that we are making the same point except that I am saying that Blackamerican Muslims in other parts of the country have similar issues, but because of their much much smaller numbers, it is not as recognized. Find me a large pocket of Blackamerican Muslimss (not in Imam W Deen Mohammed’s community) outside of the NE. (other than Chicago and Detroit)
If you go back to part 4, you will see that I do not hold that any movement was responsible for bringing the crowds of young people to Islam. There was an environment created that made people want to accept Islam. The Salafi movement was what these youth found upon becoming Muslim. I think it is a cop out to say “well they are not perfect, but they are still Muslim”. Yes, on the surface this is true, but I think you will agree that we need to do better than the thuggish Islam we are seeing.
It was a misfit. I was in my thirties while these young men with massive social problems began entering Islam and I was appalled when they were being told to ignore these problems and cut themselves off. I could not understand for the life of me why these young men were talking about King Fahd instead of making a positive Islamic difference on their block.
I wish it had stayed in Saudi to begin with. I mentioned in previous posts that the focus on aqeedah was good, but I do not care for (and never did care for) the making of the Saudis into angels. I also for the record don’t care for the other extreme of demonizing the Saudis. I AM for working in the local community. The Salafi movement is on the decline, but we still have to get the people to understand that there is nothing wrong with community activism. Tariq has chosen to lead by example in the local community and ignore the small group of salafi dead enders that may criticize his efforts
Br. Amad I think we agree much more than we disagree. I believe that aqeedah is important, but I must reiterate that I am not a part of that movement because I believe that we have work to do here.
I assume that you are an immigrant. That being the case, we will need to work together to change the intellectual climate amongst the Blackamerican Muslims that have been “salafized” (i.e., told that community activism is bidah) by the Salafi movement in spite of the movement itself being in decline.
We need to work together toward a more positive future, but we also have to realize that we can not resurrect the mistakes of the past.
We are in this together
[...] Part Four [...]
The solution to problem in the African-American Muslim community is all the more evident after reading thru a good number of the above posts. African-Americans need to be established in traditional Islamic sciences. Traditional `Aqidah must be learned and taught, as well as, Islamic Jurisprudence and spiritual purification. Simply look at what the (guided) Muslims in West Africa followed prior to the era of colonialism. This traditional methodology was taught throughout the Islamic world.
After the death of Eli Poole, Wally D. took over. He pretty much insulated his followers (from the immigrant community), because he was afraid of being exposed for the ignoramus and deviant that he is (although he used racism (which did/does exists) of the immigrants as an excuse to hide his ignorance). More often the than not, the typical immigrant Muslim is as unfamiliar with the traditional sciences as the average member of the “Wally World.” The only advantage the average immigrant may have had over the Wally Worlder is that at least the immigrant wouldn’t call the one who considers God to be a real live human a Muslim. The quasi-salafi/Wahhabi-Saudi sect saw an opportunity to exploit religiously ignorant African-Americans, so they indoctrinated a number of AA with their bid`ah ideologies. The Wahhabis, as per their history, spread madness, chaos, and confusion in black America. And the arrogant and violent tendencies of the Najdi sect fit in perfectly with those in the prison system and the thugs on the street corners.
One of the many benefits in studying traditional Islamic sciences is that it immediately empowers the student to distinguish between the genuine Tawheed doctrine of Ahl-us-Sunnah and the likes of the anthropomorphist/corporealist doctrines of the quasi-salafis. Also, in learning the traditional sciences, it would plug AA Muslims into the history of Islam and the scholarly continuity of the knowledge. The Sunni scholars of Timbuktu were not teaching the so-called Kitab-ut-Tawheed of Muhammad ibn `Abdil-Wahhab and the tashbih creed taught therein. Until the matters of Creed are clearly hashed out, and African-American Muslims ask the right questions about who is who and what is what, then this confusion will prevail, and there will be no sound basis for unity.
akhi Abdur Rahman, after reading your clarification, I apologize for the misunderstanding and am in complete agreement with you on the majority of points.
If you would email me inshallah, I’d like to share that old series with you on AA & immigrant relations…
jazakAllahkhair
wsalam
AsSalaamu Alaykum:
To all of the brothers and sisters who have taken the time to read and respone to Br. Abdur Rahman’s blog. Allah, SWA, has truely blessed him with insight and the ability to express himself clearly and concisely. I have been Muslim since 1976. My wife and I have raised 6 children in Islam here in Brooklyn N.Y. I entered Islam with a group of brothers who were influenced by the Tablighi Jammat at the State Street Masjid founded by Skheikh Dawud Faisal , May Allah grant him Jannah. After going in the path a couple of times I realized there was nothing this practice had in common with the example of Muhammad,SAW, I had just read about, that convinced me to take shahadah. I immediately sought other Isalmic venues that I felt suited me as I knew I would never make a good Pakistani. Just couldn’t get with that crap they stuck in their gums that turned their teeth brown. (a joke) I evenually found myself committed to an organization in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, whose Imam was a dynamic figure named Khalid Yasin. It was called Masjid Ikhwa. At some point after Khalid Yasin’s departure from the organization I left there and have been a participant at Masjid At-Taqwa under Imam Siraj Wahhaj for at least 20 years. After 31 years of experiencing what Br. A. Rahman has been blogging about I can appreciate his analysis and may Allah,SWA, reward him for his effort. My contribution to this discourse is this:
Our beloved Prophet Muhammad,SAW, said, “There is no wisdom without experience.” I implore all of my Brothers and Sisters to read. Read the Qur’an first and read also books about history so that we might better understand who we are, where we are, and who we are dealing with. Someone once said “If you don’t learn from history you are destined to repeat it.” If you read the Saud history you will find that this is not the first time that they , the family of Saud, has used ignorant followers to achieve a political agenda. The most authoritative book on the history of the family Saud, “The Desert King, Ibn Saud and his Arabia” written by David Howarth, was published in 1964. In that book you will read about a youthful Ibn Saud, the founder of the modern state of Saudi Arabia, and the role he played in assisting his British allies in destoying the Turkish Khalifate, which we know was only accomplished with the permission of All Mighty Allah Who is The Best Of Planners.
“The Battle of Sabilla”
The day was March 29th, 1929. The day that Ibn Saud fought and defeated his own revolting band of ignorant Bedouin desert warriors called “The Ikhwan”. A battle that was necessary because the Ikhwna refused to lay down their arms and stop fighting, raiding and plundering those Muslims who were classified as infidels by the Ulema who backed Ibn Saud. It just so happen that the British had run out of enemies in the region and all of the remaining Arabs were protectorates as well. This is how one of the leaders of the revolt, ibn Humaid, is described in the book;
“Ibn Humaid’s tribal district was in the very center of Arabia, and not a breath of civilizing influence had ever reached it except at second hand. …………So he must have been the ultimate, inevitable product of the Ikhwan teaching: a human being totally ignorant of anything but desert lore, guided by animal instincts, inflamed to madness by a secterian outlook a thousand years out of date– and absolutely satisfied that he was the finest flower of humanity”
Br. Abdul Jabbar mentioned that he believed that this whole situation is a product of conspiracy. I have similar sentiments. It wouldn’t be the first time the poweres that be in this nation turned to their Saudi wards for assistence but that’s another story. Is it possble that much of the Salafi doctrine that calls on it’s adherents to never revolt against even grossly corrupt leadership a safety mechanism put in place to guard against a reocurrence of what happen some 78 years ago. Some people learn from their mistakes.
As for me, I’m an optimist! I’ll never lose hope in Allah’s Plan. I’ve always kept hope that Insha Allah those Brothers who went overseas to acquire knowledge will one day mature and learn from their mistakes just like we all have. None of us are perfect and we all have made and will continue to make mistakes. The real tragedy would be the failure to learn the lessons from those mistakes. At this late stage of the game we can’t afford to make the same mistakes repeatedly. Insha Allah ta Allah they will mature if their hearts are in the right place. They won’t have much choice because if they don’t they will wind up like the Ikhwan of Arabia. When the Sauds are finish with them they will feed them to the dogs of war. May Allah guide us all and Bless us to be among those who are never stung in the same hole twice, and May He heal our hearts and show us clearly His Siratal Mustiqeem. Ameen
As Salaamu Alaykum
Abu,
You can read: “Confessions of a British Spy.” It is about the origin of Wahhabism and its use against the Sunni Caliphate in Turkey. The Wahhabis wanted an excuse to label the Muslims at large kuffar, steal their property, enslave/rape their women, and murder the Muslims. This has been their history for the past 200+ years. Simply research the history of the Wahhabis at Mecca and their slaughter of the Muslims at Ta’if.
The book, Fitnatul-Wahhabiyyah, written by the Sunni Mufti, Zayn Ad-Dahlan of Mecca goes into detail about the initial rise of the so-called Salafi movement, how they were refuted by the orthodox `Ulama’, and their assaults upon the Muslims performing Hajj. Sadly, many Muslims don’t know their history and have only been fed the Wahhabi propaganda come from the land of Najd (a region that the Prophet said the Devil’s Horn would arise).
swarthmoor, if I may add…Horowitz, Spencer and some other “fair and balanced authors” have great, unbiased material on the “wahhabi” bogeymen?? I am sorry but you can’t defeat propaganda with more propaganda.
http://muslimmatters.org/2007/04/01/the-wahhabi-myth-debunking-the-bogeyman/
http://www.suhaibwebb.com/blog/2007/12/03/a-sufi-salafi-connection-sh-abdul-wahab-ra-and-imam-al-sindi-ra-dr-john-voll/
Amad,
I am not talking about neo-conmen propaganda. The Wahhabis were
called “Wahhabis” 200 years ago by the scholars of Ahl-us-Sunnah. The book, Fitnatul-Wahhabiyyah (The Seditions of the Wahhabi Movement) was written by Zayn Ad-Dahlan, a Shafi`iyy scholar, who was the Mufti of Mecca. Ibn `Abideen, who was the most famous of the latter Hanafis said: “The Wahhabis are the Khawarij of this era.” Furthermore, the scholars of Ahlus-Sunnah have been refuting the doctrines of the Wahhabis centuries before the Wahhabis even appeared (for the Wahhabis resuscitated various invalid beliefs).
Again, the problem here stems from people simply not knowing their history. It was the Wahhabis who came out of Najd (a region the Prophet–not Schwartz and the Zio-Cons–had cursed), and they are the ones who terrorized the Muslims. The facts of history demonstrate that the Wahhabis massacred Muslims in Ta’if, and it is a fact of history that the Wahhabis attacked Muslims and prevented them from performing Hajj. This is not historical revisionism; this is the history as it was reported by the Muslim scholars at the time. Sadly, many in the West only know the Wahhabi version of history, which intentionally distorts the facts of the past. God-willing, as folks gain more access to reliable Islamic knowledge, the Wahhabi movement will be exposed for what it was/is.
Salaam,
this is to the remarks that you made to brother jabbar who ever December is, what you don’t have a name? but anyway let me give you a little history about a early movement that gave a lot to the
AMRIKEE back doing the 60s.this Movement was started by a few brothers who came straight out of the DUNYA. just think about this, here it is way back in 1964 some black American Muslim are talking
about a DAR-UL ISLAM Movement a abode of peace with in were every Muslim could feel safe the brotherhood protected each other we did not have a lot money but we had respect for the Muslim
back then we had schools second to none i could remember when the Muslim kids went up against the none Muslim kids in the spelling
B the Muslim kids came out either first or second we had a magazine
,Salaam,
this is to the remarks that you made to brother jabbar who ever December is, what you don’t have a name? but anyway let me give you a little history about a early movement that gave a lot to the
AMRIKEE back doing the 60s.this Movement was started by a few brothers who came straight out of the DUNYA. just think about this, here it is way back in 1964 some black American Muslim are talking
about a DAR-UL ISLAM Movement a abode of peace with in were every Muslim could feel safe the brotherhood protected each other we did not have a lot money but we had respect for the Muslim
back then we had schools second to none i could remember when the Muslim kids went up against the none Muslim kids in the spelling
B the Muslim kids came out either first or second we had a magazine that went world wide we had a lot back then the one day some Saudis saw what we were doing and saw that there were some strong brotherhood and they had to move on us and the Movement. these Saudis came on us with money trying to change the things we were into .see brother December we were in 26 cities under one IMAM they were around even before the 70s trying to get a foot hold into the brotherhood in this country. they have finely study how to get to us the blow was this Salafi stuff they put into the brothers head and it work having brothers hating each other after they have hung with brothers fore years so December it even started may be before you were Muslim these Saudis trying to pump money into a strong Movement but we did not go fore it.i can remember the brothers back then asking the Saudis,well what do you want from us ,they wanted to control the Movement thats all these people wanted to do
As’salamu Aleikum all and Eid Mubarak from Denmark
Brother Abdur-Rahman, wonderful series you have written and without doubt, quite different what I have read so far on blogosphere. I’d not be surprised if you are in academic milieu.
The best part I liked was the Regan administration and its impact on African American community. Another thing was the pseudo – Muslim hip hop artist
I really don’t think the core issue here is about Salafi movement, but the lack of community oneness in African American Muslims, as you said in your post, Al Sharpton and his likes (church leaders) and what it is doing to Blackamerican Muslims.
And let us not forget that African American Muslims have a very old history in the country, which they can be proud of.
Looking forward to read th next episode.
Wa’aleikum salaam, gess.
amal hijazi
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