Below I have the actual transcript of the sworn testimony of Randall “Ismail” (I am sorry about the previous misspelling of his name) Royer in a secret Grand Jury against Ali Al-Timimi.
I want to make a point few points here.
1 – I am not saying that Ismail is a bad man for testifying – to the contrary. I fully support what Ismail Royer did (in testifying) and his wife and 4 children (and Parents) should not be ashamed as he did the right thing in doing that. He should feel no need to explain himself. Ali Al-Timimi was wrong and had I known at the time that Al-Timimi supported the vicious 9/11 attacks, I would not have supported him in his trial.
2 -I want to illustrate that when you plead with the government, you are required to testify. This is what Ismail and so many others have done as part of their agreement. What makes Sami Al-Arian different and special? Why is he being coddled by the Muslim organizations and the black Imams being brought to “demand” his release? Why are they supporting an UNISLAMIC hunger strike? My point is that we are being used as pawns in a political game
3 – To show that I am not making these things up as some are claiming. I reiterate that Ismail did the right thing (while Sami is not)
4 – That it is time that we stop blindly defending people and making emotional “demands”. We must begin to speak out and work to remove the radical elements of our community.
The full transcript is here [.pdf] and I have excerpted the important parts below. Emphasis is mine
Q. And you’re obviously looking for a Rule 35 that would reduce your sentence for cooperation?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Okay. And your obligation under your plea agreement on how to testify is you have to testify truthfully, right?
A. Yes, that’s correct.
Q. Okay. I’d like to direct your attention to September 16th, 2001. On that date, did you attend a gathering at Yong Kwonls house?
A. Yes, I did
Q. What was your understanding of the purpose of that meeting?
A. Sheikh Ali Timimi was going to give us his, his view of the September 11th attacks and what the
response of Muslims in the United States should be now.
Q. How open were the, the attendees at the meeting to being overheard or seen at the meeting?
A. It was a secretive meeting, so we closed the blinds, turned off the cell phones.
Q. Why were those steps taken, the closing the blinds and turning off the cell phones?
A. Ali Timimi asked us to do that.
Q. What was said at the beginning of the meeting with respect to whether what was said at the
meeting should be repeated outside the meeting?
A. Ali Timimi asked us not to repeat what was said at the meeting.
Q. How did he begin his talk?
A. Well, he began by, by – -we had an, an Arabic printout of the fatwa or religious opinion from
Sheikh A1 Uqla (ph.), a scholar from Saudi Arabia, in which the scholar approved of the 9/11 attacks and said that, that there would be a — essentially there would wind up being a war between the United States and – – the United States would invade Afghanistan and the — it was beneficial as a – – it was a positive thing for Muslims to go and help the Taliban defend against the U.S. invasion.
Q. Okay. What if anything did Timimi say A1 Uqla said Muslims around the world should do when the
U.S. invaded Afghanistan?
A. Well, as I said, he, he, he said that it would be a good deed to go and help the – – defend the Taliban.
Q. What did Timimi send – – say then?
A. Well, then he said that, you know, now, now would be the time whether — where we would find out
whether or not the Taliban were, were, were good or, or, or not good, and if they were good they would hold on to Usama bin Laden and wouldn’t turn him over as the United States was demanding, and that if, if they were in fact not really very worthy then they would hand him over.
Q. So, on the basis of what he told you what did you understand Timimi to be advising you and the others gathered at Kwonrs house to do?
A. Well, I understood him to be, to be, you know, implying that, you know, in pretty clear terms that, that it would be beneficial for us to go and help them — help the Taliban.
Again, there was nothing wrong with what Ismail did in giving this testimony. So I ask again, what is Sami Al-Arian’s point?