Another Muslim Plot Against America and Jews Foiled. Will The Madness Ever End?

Posted: May 22, 2009 in Uncategorized

When will this madness end? Yesterday four Muslim Americans were arrested for plotting to blow up a synagogue and Jewish center in the Bronx and to shoot down aircraft.  Something is indeed wrong, very, very wrong with this community. A few years ago it was the Virginia Jihad paintball crew, and now it looks again as if these young Muslim men in N.Y. will spend the rest of their lives in prison. This has been a bad year for the Muslim community in America, from one of its leaders beheading his wife, to a known wife abuser coming to his rescue, two police murdered by Muslims in Philadelphia, and of course a slew of moral and financial scandals that has many people asking “what the hell is going on”? Is it any wonder that the Muslim brand is at an all time low. In fact, apostasy is at an all time high! When will we stop blaming others and recognize this malignancy in the body and do something about it. Of course, as usual, some people will blame ME for “attacking the Muslims”, but what is it about the Islam preached in many parts of this country that breeds antisemitism and anti-American hated?

Of course I condemn this activity in the strongest possible terms, but I should also like to point out here the rank HYPOCRISY of the Council of American Islamic Relations (C.A.I.R). Over the past year they have been screaming bloody murder about the activities of the F.B.I. and its surveillance, through undercover informants, of American masjids. They have relentlessly worked to portray these very necessary functions of government as “witch hunts” and characterise these informants as “provocateurs”. They have gone so far as to link these activities to the 1960’s and 70’s “Cointelpro” of J. Edgar Hoover. Yet when the perpetrators happen to be Black they have absolutely no problem throwing them under the bus and singing the praises of the F.B.I., even to the extent of encouraging other Muslims to become informants. Yet they will never do this when it’s their own. When the culprits are immigrants, especially Arabs like Sami Al Arian and the Holy Land Foundation cabal, they will defend them to the wall! But now that the suspects are African American they will make kissy face with the F.B.I to score some cheap political points. Just something to think about for all you Black American Muslims who like to cry crocodile tears for C.A.I.R. I guess that’s why they call me “A Singular Voice”.

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  1. Sister Seeking says:

    Salaam’Alaikum

    Is it any wonder that the Muslim brand is at an all time low. In fact, apostasy is at an all time high! Abdur-Rahman
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    I personally believe that Apostasy has ALWAYS been at an all time high, but the IMM lobby and their **water carriers** managed to keep it hidden by dismissing the pain, misery, and failure we hear about as “isolated cases.” Unfortunately, in some parts of this nation, that dysfunction has become an epidemic–spilled over into the non-Muslim public sector( social services and law enforcement) so there is no way it can be dismissed as “isolated cases” or “Islam is perfect but Muslims are not” or “ They didn’t learn the deen or they didn’t practice it right in the first place” or “ They were never Muslim in the first place.” Blaming the victim won’t suffice anymore!

    When will we stop blaming others and recognize this malignancy in the body and do something about it. Abdur-Rahman
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    LOL :–)

    Brother, this would mean that folks would actually have to admit that we have a problem because you can’t change what you don’t acknowledge. Secondly, we would have to accept responsibility– and in some cases *blame*–which requires that we actually do the work necessary in both atoning for our transgressions, and repairing what ever damage we have caused to each other. Who wants to do that? It’s easier to be irresponsible, reckless, negligent, unethical, inappropriate, dishonest, envious, hateful, and you get my point. The few Muslims who are trying, are being hated on, and pushed from many different directions. We a have *HUGE*mess…

    God help us… I personally think it’s too late, and Islam is going to disappear amongst Americans being confined to immigrants, criminals, and folks who dropped out of reality in our society.

    :–(

    Of course, as usual, some people will blame ME for “attacking the Muslims”, but what is it about the Islam preached in many parts of this country that breeds anti-Semitism and anti-American hated? Abdur-Rahman
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    ***Ignore them.*** They are nothing but –powerless– BULLIES who know their cumupmanship is approaching… Blogging certainly has its benefits ( namely the ability decimate information rapidly to the world) and there are consequences ( stalking, libel, threats, bullies, cults, surveillance). But, when I see people trying to eliminate fair argumentation and debate–the mind wonders… when I see people trying to censor other peoples work, the mind wonders…

    They have relentlessly worked to portray these very necessary functions of government as “witch hunts” and characterize these informants as “provocateurs”. They have gone so far as to link these activities to the 1960’s and 70’s “Cointelpro” of J. Edgar Hoover. Yet when the perpetrators happen to be Black they have absolutely no problem throwing them under the bus and singing the praises of the F.B.I., even to the extent of encouraging other Muslims to become informants. Yet they will never do this when it’s their own …
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    That’s a damn shame… SERIOUSLY… a damn shame…

    Why would any self respecting, dignified, honest hard working person of any ethnicity allow themselves to be defecated on like this?

    I’ll keep spreading the word to black women, and girls to get the hell out of the ENTIRE Muslim community, and seek refuge with other groups of people.

    Salaam

    Ladies, and young ladies, if you’re out there believe me other groups including other religious groups have already taken in Muslim women, and girls. Believe it or not, other groups WILL treat you better. I’m NOT telling any one to leave Islam ( although outside of the 5 pillars I would leave everything else alone).

  2. Khadija says:

    A couple of things struck me as I’ve been reading the reports about these fools:

    (1) How easily these Negroes were apparently duped by a jihad-talking, “support the Muslims”-talking government informant/agent.

    (2) How they were only motivated to attack other people’s presumed enemies. It’s interesting that these Negro jihadis NEVER raise their hands to OUR enemies. Proven, immediate enemies such as: the Klan; racist/brutal police; the violent Negro criminals preying on our people, etc. Instead, many of them prefer to ignore their own people’s suffering to run off to places like Chechnya and Afghanistan to fight these other people’s enemies. Incredible.

    Weak-minded, self-hating slaves are easily manipulated and deployed as weapons in other people’s agendas.

  3. huda says:

    How easily these Negroes were apparently duped by a jihad-talking, “support the Muslims”-talking government informant/agent.

    The informant did not PROVOKE them. He turned them in

  4. Khadija says:

    @Huda:

    I don’t know how accurate any of this is, but this is from today’s New York Times:

    “In Bronx Bomb Case, Missteps Caught on Tape

    . . .The case is the latest in a series in New York and around the country since Sept. 11, 2001, and sounded familiar in some ways. The investigation, for instance, began with the work of a confidential informant, who portrayed himself as an agent of a Pakistani terror organization, and who became a critical member of the men’’s plot.

    . . . Salahuddin Mustafa Muhammad, the imam at the mosque where the authorities say the confidential informant first encountered the men, said none of the men were active in the mosque. An assistant imam, Hamin Rashada, said Mr. Cromitie and Mr. Payen occasionally attended services.

    Mr. Cromitie was there last June, and he met a stranger.

    He had no way of knowing that the stranger’’s path to the mosque began in 2002, when he was arrested on federal charges of identity theft. He was sentenced to five years’’ probation, and became a confidential informant for the F.B.I. He began showing up at the mosque in Newburgh around 2007, Mr. Muhammad said.

    The stranger’’s behavior aroused the imam’’s suspicions. He invited other worshipers to meals, and spoke of violence and jihad, so the imam said he steered clear of him. ““There was just something fishy about him,”” Mr. Muhammad said. Members ““believed he was a government agent.””

    Mr. Muhammad said members of his congregation told him the man he believed was the informant offered at least one of them a substantial amount of money to join his ““team.””….”

    Again, I don’t know how accurate these reports are. From the above, it sounds like the informer was going around the masjid fishing for gullible fools to entrap. I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out that this particular South Asian informer had his own problems with law enforcement, and did this to earn a more lenient deal regarding his own issues. Who knows? But we DO know that many of our masjids are often swarming with agents provocateur.

    Let me repeat what I said in an earlier comment on this blog:

    A warning to the (often gullible) Muslims:

    A believer is not stung from the same hole twice. Be aware that government agents have already, and will continue to, come among us looking to set up naive, gullible Muslims for prosecution. Encouraging you to make statements that could get you indicted as part of a so-called terrorst conspiracy is one of their favorite tricks. LEARN FROM WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE WHO CAME BEFORE YOU.

    An excellent book that discusses in detail the various tricks & traps of COINTELPRO (and those activists who fell into those traps) is War at Home by Brian Glick.

    O Muslims, you have to be wiser than your (many) enemies. You have to be wise in your activism. You have to wise in how you support your brothers and sisters. Don’t let somebody loud talk and bully you into a federal penitentiary. Don’t let potential agents play on your emotions so you become yet another Muslim casualty.

    Wa Salaam.

  5. […] Abdul Rahman explains that the real story for the muslim community is the way CAIR is going to let them hang. […]

  6. Abu Usamah al-Aswad says:

    Salaams, @Khadija,

    Once again you have hit the nail on the head the various “al-phabet Boys” (the original supporters of al-qaeda) have been using this EXACT same method to entrap Muslims since they first employed it on the Dar and El-Rukns in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Yes I know COINTELPRO has been at it much longer, but whole “foreign angry jihadi Muslim with military connections” routine didn’t begin until the 1970s.

    sadly no matter how you try warn there will be the few impulsive and emotional who get caught up. And that’s all they need to justify these massive intelligence expeditures.

  7. Khadija says:

    @Abu Usamah al-Aswad:

    Salaams. My issue with these “alphabet boys” entrapment round-ups is that they’re indiscriminate. They round up people who are merely foolish and gullible in addition to those who actually need to be rounded up.

    For example, the vicious, drug-dealing, murderous criminal organization calling itself El Rukn NEEDED to be dismantled. Destroying that group helped enhance the physical safety of the Black community in Chicago. Of course, the FBI didn’t go after them in order to help Black folks, but protecting us from their evil was a positive, unintended side effect of the FBI operations against that gang. I’m from Chicago; and my parents and other older relatives have described many ugly accounts of what the Blackstone Rangers street gang did to other Black folks before they pretended to “get religion” and renamed themselves El Rukn.

    There are a LOT of angles to the situation that led to these arrests: The rampant criminality within the BAM ummah, the deceptive practices of many immigrant Muslims as pertains to BAMs, prosecutorial misconduct on the part of the “alphabet boys,” the gullibility of many BAMs, the ethnic self-hatred of many BAMs–which leads to us making dealing with other people’s problems and enemies a priority over dealing with our own, the lack of emotional discipline among many BAMs, the refusal to learn from what happened before, etc.

    The list of issues (that we collectively need to rectify) that these arrests touch upon is almost endless.

    Wa Salaam.

  8. Hussein says:

    The DAR also NEEDED to be dismantled as well. They have a LOOOONG trail of murder and beatings that need to be written about by someone

  9. Anyone else think that it is despicable that CAIR signed off on the FBI’s operation? We need to attach to the real ulama and we have one visiting the US in June for 8 weeks

  10. Khadija says:

    Again, I don’t know how accurate any of this is, but this is from today’s New York Times:

    “Informer’’s Role in Bombing Plot

    Everyone called the stranger with all the money ““Maqsood.”” He would sit in his Mercedes, waiting in the parking lot of the mosque in Newburgh, N.Y., until the Friday prayer was over. Then, according to members of the mosque, the Masjid al-Ikhlas, he approached the young men.

    He asked Shakir Rashada, 34, if he wanted to come over for lunch. He offered Shafeeq Abdulwali, 39, a job, perhaps at his construction company. Jamil Muhammed, 38, said he was offered cellphones and computers.

    The man, a Pakistani, occasionally approached the assistant imam of the mosque, proposing meetings, or overpaying for a sandwich he would buy at a mosque fund-raiser. In time, many of the mosque’’s older members had made the man for a government informant, according to mosque leaders. They said that he seemed to focus most of his attention on younger black members and visitors.

    . . . The imam in Newburgh, Salahuddin Mustafa Muhammad, said he was angry that the informant had associated his mosque with the scheme that had nothing to do with regular members. He condemned the plot, but questioned whether the men who were arrested would have committed to it had the informant not shown up.
    Mr. Muhammad said he wondered whether he should have done anything differently once he had suspicions about the man named Maqsood.

    ““How do you go to the government about the government?”” he asked.”

    May Allah help the otherwise helpless Negro American Muslims. We’re so silly when it comes to our OWN self-protection and interests.

    Why didn’t the imam and other masjid officials tell this Pakistani to leave and never return to the masjid? If they were afraid to directly ban this individual, why didn’t the imam take a photograph of this individual early on and warn members away from having any conversations or dealings with him?

    Failure to take photos of, and warn away from, suspicious persons is why these agents were able to infiltrate one civil rights group after another in the SAME city during the 1960s. This is also the reason why these agents are able to repeat their SAME tricks from one masjid to another in the same area.

    Our negligence (failure to photograph and spread the word about suspicious persons) is the reason why agents can go from one masjid to another in the same area and repeat their tricks. Even AFTER testifying in court. The government can’t even do that (“recycle” informants) with organized criminals such as the Russian mafia—they can’t “recycle” informants over and over again because these criminals are paying attention to what’s going on around them!

    BAMs can enforce STRICT social boycotts on each other for the most trivial of matters, but when it comes to a suspicious, potentially dangerous person wandering through our masjids, then we suddenly don’t know what to do. Except to consider crying to the same government that sent these suspicious people into our midst.

    Incredible.

  11. Khadija says:

    I forgot to mention that, according to today’s New York Time story, “Arrests in the plot to bomb two New York synagogues relied heavily on an informant whose work has led to convictions in a previous terror case.” (emphasis added)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/23/nyregion/23informant.html?th&emc=th

  12. Abu Usamah al-Aswad says:

    @Khadija

    Although I do not live in Chicago I do know that some who came out of the El Rukns did accept Islam wholeheartly and are still worshiping today. If they were such criminals why not just catch them in those crimes? Why was entraping them by taking advantage of their Islamic solidarity necessary?

  13. Abu Usamah al-Aswad says:

    @Hussein

    Your comments are typical of the self-righteous Muslims whose only obejective is to dismantle Muslim communities, NOT to develope something better, rather to only destroy whatever exists . Waxing and Waning from either extreme in the process. Destroying the name of good brothers and sisters right along with the bad. The Dar was good for american Muslims. Could it have been better? Yes

    ALL the cowards who try to sully the reputation of Dar, can never point to ANYTHING Islamic they’ve went into the inner-city and established. They sit on the side lines and throw rocks at the work being done by others.

    Single out isolate occurences then then paint everybody that same color. When someone tries defend the honor of those falsely accused, then these self appointed arbitors of ALL that is good try to act they are whisleblowers facing reprisals

  14. Charles says:

    Salaams to all. I know this community very well ladies and gents. This is not reflective of the mosque’s leadership or aqidah and methodology. These guys were indeed, very rogue. And their actions fall in line with the riff-raff of Newburgh, NY, not the diverse Muslim population there. It is one of the communities I have visited(and used to frequent often) that is thriving under competent Black imams. This is a blemish they do not deserve.

    If anyone wants to know why they really used the Jew-hating talk, it was easy. There is a large population of Jewish people in Orange County, NY and they populate an outlet mall further south of Newburgh. The informant and the woeful criminals knew exactly what the targets would be. BTW, if you keep following this story, you will also learn that the brother the newscaster said had an parent from Afghanistan is lying. He is not Afghan at all. Matters little whatever he is in the long run though.

  15. Hussein says:

    @ Abu Usama

    If the DAR was so “good for American Muslims” (they reject the label “American” btw) then why did it fall apart? Are you aware of all of the criminal activity they have been involved in? Are you aware that they used to OPENLY smoke marijuana after Jumuah? What was their lasting positive legacy on the American fabric?

  16. Sister Seeking says:

    O Muslims, you have to be wiser than your (many) enemies. You have to be wise in your activism. You have to wise in how you support your brothers and sisters. Don’t let somebody loud talk and bully you into a federal penitentiary. Don’t let potential agents play on your emotions so you become yet another Muslim casualty.
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    WORD!

    My solution is to just get out period, and fellowship with the Muslims I already know.

    Salaam

  17. Hasan frumda trey fo says:

    Salam ‘alaykum,

    Dem boyz ain’t too bright, but…..

    ‘JIHAD’ GIRLFRIENDS: FBI SNITCH USED GIFTS TO TRICK OUR MEN (sorry for the cut and paste)

    A slick FBI informant roped four Muslim converts into a horrific terror plot to blow up synagogues and military jets by handing them piles of cash and gifts and even bags of weed, relatives of the suspects said today.

    “Brother whatever you need, I will get it for you,” said the man who the four petty thieves knew as Maqsood, according to Kathleen Baynes, whose long-time boyfriend, James Cromitie is alleged to be the ringleader of the plot.

    She said Cromitie, 45, met Maqsood at the Masjid al-Ikhlas mosque about a year ago and promised to teach him the truth about Islam.

    HOW TO STOP THE MUSLIM EXTREMISTS RECRUITING INMATES TO TERRORISM

    The man soon was coming by their apartment with increasing frequency and was always flush with cash.

    “He was very persistent and every time he came for James he took him away. They said they were going out to eat dinner,” she said. “Whenever we needed anything Maqsood would help — like financially –he gave us money to pay rent.

    “He was just constantly around. It was like he was stalking him.”

    Co-conspirator David Williams’s girlfriend Cassandra McKoy insists the men were duped into the plot with the lure of a cash payday and that religious hatred had nothing to do with it.

    “They aren’t radicals they were just financially motivated. They aren’t terrorists. If Maqsood wasn’t in the picture they would’ve never come up with this idea,” she said. “This was not their idea. They make it sound like they sought him out and said we want to do this when he’s the one who approached them. He enticed them with money.

    “Maqsood wasn’t even allowed inside the mosque, he waited in the parking lot for them and offered them $25,000 to join.”

    Sources say Maqsood was really Shahed Hussain — a Pakistani native who runs hotels upstate and has worked for the FBI since 2003 after getting into trouble in a fraud case. He played an integral role in unraveling another terror-related case in Albany in 2004.

    Baynes, 42, dated Cromitie — a career criminal who has been in jail more than 20 times — for six years. She said he converted to Islam during his last prison stint but wasn’t serious.

    “James is a wannabe Muslim. He wasn’t real Muslin. He never prayed,” she said.

    But during the course of the year, Maqsood kept trying to steer Cromitie down a path to jihad – giving him religious pamphlets, clothing and prayer rugs. In the end, it seemed that cash and gifts worked better.

    She said Maqsood promised to get Cromitie jobs and once said he’d give him a black Mercedes Benz. On repeated occasions he gave Cromitie cameras, cash and even drugs.

    “Maqsood gave him a lot of marijuana,” she said.

    An FBI spokesman did not return a call for comment on the gift giving.

    Williams’ mother, Elizabeth McWilliams, said her son fell under Maqsood’s sway in April with promises to help with medical bills for his sick brother.

    “Maqsood said ‘Don’t worry brother, I am going to help with your brother’s hospital bills,'” she quoted him as saying. “This man did nothing but set these guys up.”

    Baynes said she never trusted Maqsood’s intentions and that the imam at the mosque warned James to stay away from the interloper.

    “James told me that the Imam said to be careful because this man is trying to recruit people to go to Pakistan,” she said. “James said he was not that crazy to do something like that.”

    As Wednesday’s attack neared, Baynes said Cromitie’s mood changed.

    “Lately James hasn’t been the same. He was just acting different,” she said. “All he would do all day is smoke weed and play video games with his friends [co-conspirators Williams, Laguerre Payen and Onta Williams].”

    On the day of the attack, she said the men gathered and that Maqsood “looked real nervous.”

    “He was standing by the car twitching,” she said.

    Then, as they were about to leave, Cromitie kissed her on the cheek and promised, “Soon we are going to be all right,” she said. “I guess he meant financially he meant that we were going to be okay.”

    She said a friend told her James had said he was going to be getting $50,000.

  18. Abu Usamah al-Aswad says:

    @Hussein

    Unless you are prepared to go before Allah on yumal qiyamah and declare everyone smoked after jummah then you need to repent from the lie you just implied. Dar included more than just one city and one country even, so are saying that in every Masjid pledged to the Dar there was criminal activity? Just because a former criminal or even an active criminal goes to a Masjid does mean the Masjid is engaged in crime

  19. Khadija says:

    @Abu Usamah al-Aswad:

    I don’t weep over what the FBI did to the El Rukns. I’m happy they’re gone. The El Rukns have a LOT of Black folks’ blood and ruined lives on their hands. And their many, many Black victims have gone unavenged for all these decades.

    In terms of why the FBI chose that particular manner of going after them, who knows? Perhaps the FBI picked what was easiest, and what was most likely to “stick.” Similar to how the government finally got Al Capone on tax evasion charges, as opposed to his many violent crimes. We’re talking about El Rukn here. I just don’t care about them. Instead, I care about their many unavenged victims.

    Wa Salaam.

  20. Sister Seeking says:

    As salaam alaikum,

    Brother Abdur-Rahman,

    I want to tell you what made me snap, and walk away from the Muslim community in the first place.

    I tried to tell my story ( which is a public record) on another BAM blog but that blog is controlled, and supported by the IMM community, and their supporters.

    We live in the same area. In our area there was certain case in which a group of Muslim men ,including BAM’s were accused of aiding a registered terrorist group by participating in so called training events, etc.

    My DH and I knew an Imam and his wife from a certain masjid. Of course, we are taught to defend the honor of all Muslims, and assume their innocence despite any evidence. We were encouraged to write letters to our elected officials, donate money, attend fundraisers, and attend protest. My DH never wanted me to get involved, and did none of the above. I did all of the above. The very next day, after attending that stupid protest, around 4 am in the morning the authorities showed up at our apartment. They walked in us with no clothing on. We had uniformed men pointing rifles at our faces, and I was barely allowed to put on a night gown to cover my self.

    Abdur-Rahman, I’m angry brother. How in the hell am I supposed to just “get over” having a riffle pointed at my head? How in the hell am I supposed to just “get over” being man held with no clothing on? Do you know how frightened, and humiliating that experience is?

    Thank God that neither one of us freaked out or did anything stupid. We could have been killed right there on the spot.

    I called the sister to tell her what happened, and was given some short encouragement.

    This is the same place that I went seeking counseling the day I found out my biological mother passed away, and was dismissed by the receptionist as seeking zakkat before I could even get a word out.

    That’s when it clicked for me. That’s when I realized that all of the money I donated, all the protest I attended, and all of the licking stamps was for naught. These people don’t care about me: including the BAM’s who share my heritage. These people will let the other shoe drop if anything happens to me. That’s when I saw, these people aren’t trying to practice a religion. They aren’t here for missionary work. This is completely something different. I accept that my immaturity, inexperience, low self-esteem, and grief ( from my loss) affected my judgment. I’ve sought professional help, and prayed about this for a long time now. I’m still angry. Because I could have lost my life or liberty for a people who don’t respect me because I’m black, because I’m woman, and just because I’m me.

    That has been my experience. I don’t need a pity party or a pep talk. I know what I’ve seen. I know what I’ve heard. I won’t forget. I WON’T forget.

    I’ll be damned if any person on this earth sits up there and tells me it didn’t happen to me by accusing me or others who are trying to give people information so that they can make a good faith decision about if they want to do -a -or-b- with out being deceived.

    Also, Abdur-Rahman, I’m done with the whole interfaith work. These interfaith groups are dialoguing with Islamic leaders, and groups who have a sordid reputation for legions of women and children ( black, white, rich, poor) who have been terrorized, abused, and used. I’m astonished that they don’t screen these organizations before putting the reputation of their congregations on the line.

    I’m going to repeat what I said on Salafi Burn Out Blog:

    1)***GET OUT*** repeat: ***GET OUT***of the *ENTIRE* Muslim community. If you can’t do it for yourself, do it for your children. Do it for them because they are innocent, and do not comprehend the consequences set to befall them if you don’t put their safety, and well being first. The Muslim community is ***NO LONGER*** a healthy, safe, vibrant, and prosperous people to be apart of. Those days MAY NEVER come back. It doesn’t matter what sect or group the pathology is still the same where ever you go. ESCAPE. It will be disorienting, and scary for awhile, but YOU CAN do this, you MUST do this! Seek refuge with other groups of people or simply go back to your non-Muslim family if they are safe people. NOBODY, I mean NOBODY, is coming to save you–be a woman, stand up, and fight back–walk the hell away from this cesspool. *NOW* is the time to get real with your self, and everybody in your life.

  21. @ Seeking Sister

    Shaykh Saalim At-Taweel will be in the United States and he will be able to help you. He will be in the following cities: NYC, Washington, DC, St Louis, Modesto, CA

    Make arrangements to go see the shaykh. He will be able to solve the issue, insha Allah

  22. @Jamaal At-Tajary

    That is precisely the kind of cult-minded madness she’s warning against.

  23. @ Seeking Sister

    I understand your pain perfectly. You know you always have a place here to say what you want to say. You are also correct when you say those people don’t give a damn about you as a Black women. We’re just suppose to be pawns in their game.

  24. Rabiya says:

    Sister Seeking

    Thanks for sharing your story. I want people’s stories to be heard, until they can no longer ignore all this madness. And I totally agree with you about getting away from the insanity.

  25. Kwame Madden says:

    I agree with Charles,that these men reflect the riff raff of the city of Newburgh.I personally believe these men were trying to get a paycheck.Not to make up excuses for these men but if anobody knows anything about Newburgh and its unemployment and poverty that exist in this city.The lower half of the city off of Broadway looks worse than many big cities.Jobs are very scarce and most of the men unfortunely have chosen a life of crime.These men lives are a reflection of the many of Africian Amercian men of this city.Most defintrenly they were naive as can be and also devoid of common sense.I do agree to many BAM are getting caught up in nonsense and confusion.Even though I believe these men,just wanted to make some quick money. In other cases involing some BAM we just don’t know who the hell we are culturally and poltically .iSo it is easy for some socalled mad jihadist to dupe some culturally deprived naive wanting to believe the lie of this monolithic ummah.As we all know this exist know were in the world.Just and observation but talking to people who live in Newburgh.this city is rarely ever receives good news.There is rampant police department corruption.And the City government there is just inept!Another sad story in BAM current decrepited situation.

  26. Sister Seeking says:

    Recruiter Shooting Suspect Had Ties to Extremist Locations
    Investigators Probing Attack to Determine Whether Shooting Suspect Acted Alone
    By PIERRE THOMAS, RICHARD ESPOSITO and JACK DATE
    June 2, 2009

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=7732467&page=2

    The recent convert to Islam who allegedly shot and killed a U.S. soldier at a Little Rock, Ark., recruiting booth had ties to a number of global locations linked to extremists, including Yemen, Somalia and Columbus, Ohio, ABC News has learned.
    Yemen and Somali are known hotbeds for terrorism. Columbus, Ohio, has been an area of domestic concern for authorities who have observed a number of Somali Americans traveling from there to Somali to wage jihad.

    Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, 24, upon his arrest Monday shortly after the fatal shooting, allegedly confessed and told authorities he acted alone, according to court documents. But prior to the shooting, Muhammad had been the subject of a preliminary investigation by the FBI’s Joint Terrorist Task Force since his return from Yemen, where he was arrested and had in his possession a false Somali passport, ABC News has learned.

    And now, officials say, the FBI and the CIA are engaged in an intense effort to reconstruct Muhammad’s path to extremism — and allegedly to murder — taking apart his life, examining his friendships, educational records, travel within the United States and possible contacts with extremists overseas.

    Though police told ABC News that a preliminary investigation indicated that Muhammad acted alone, federal authorities are trying to determine whether others were involved in any way — including supplying weapons, lending encouragement or support, and helping to identify a target — in the Monday shooting that also critically wounded another soldier. Although he allegedly confessed, Muhammad also has pleaded not guilty to the shooting.
    “We believe that it’s associated with his disagreement over the military operations,” Little Rock Police Chief Stuart Thomas told The Associated Press. “At this point it appears that he specifically targeted military personnel, but there doesn’t appear to be a wider conspiracy or, at this point in time, any indication that he’s a part of a larger group or a conspiracy to go further.”

    According to a police report, Muhammad told police that he saw two uniformed U.S. soldiers in front of the recruiting office before he shot and killed Pvt. William Long, 23, and wounded Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula, 18, while they were taking a break outside the U.S. Army recruiting station where they both worked.

    Witness Lance Luplow said he came running when he heard six or seven “loud bangs.”
    “I come running across the street and there is a white male and a black male and they both are in Army fatigues and they’re both shot real bad,” Luplow said. “One of them couldn’t even talk, the other one crawled inside and said, ‘I can’t believe this is happening.’ The other guy, I mean he was so out of it — he was just a blank stare. Just looking up at the sky.”

    Small Arsenal Found in Suspect’s Car
    Muhammad was arrested shortly after the shooting and he offered no resistance to authorities who stopped his vehicle, police said.
    According to sources, shortly after his arrest the suspect advised police that he was going to kill as many Army personnel as possible. At the time of the shooting, the subject had 562 rounds of ammunition available, police said.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=7732467

  27. Khadija says:

    @Sister Seeking:

    You are quite correct in your warning to flee the so-called Muslim community. As I said (and was attacked for saying) during the Great Day in America discussion, it is NOT safe for decent people to be around such folks.

    It’s been a relief to see that, for the moment, some of the commenters from that earlier discussion who were loudly and publicly cheerleading for the Somali pirates have found the common sense to refrain from publicly cheerleading the miscreants discussed in this post. I’m prayerful that they will also refrain from cheerleading the man described as a “Muslim convert” who recently killed a military recruiter.

    I would strongly urge all BAMs to give careful consideration to where you might relocate if conditions become too “hot” in the US for Muslims. Generally as BAMs, we are NOT wise with our words. We are also not balanced in our actions. Through words and deeds, many of us are creating a wave of enmity for Muslims in general among the general American population. If we persist in our unwise behavior, the backlash could get to the point that it’s no longer tenable for us to live in this country. Just as it became untenable for Japanese-Americans to live in the US during an earlier era.

    Unlike you, the immigrant Muslims already have home countries that they can run back to if they’re feeling cornered.

    O African-American Muslims: Remember the sad example of the innocent Japanese-Americans who were imprisoned in internment camps. Where do YOU have to run to if you are feeling cornered and pursued? Right now, most of us have not given a single thought to what we might do in such a circumstance. We’re too busy loudtalking.

    Don’t let what happened to the Japanese-Americans happen to you and your families, if conditions get to this point. Plan ahead. Save your money. Start researching places that you can go if conditions became untenable for Muslims in this country.

    An excellent book is Getting Out: Your Guide to Leaving America. It explains where you can most easily gain residence and citizenship, where you can live for a fraction of the cost of where you’re living now, and what countries would be most compatible with your lifestyle, gender, age, or political beliefs. It also has a lot of interviews with a variety of people who have recently relocated outside the US.

    Personally, I’ve read and heard a lot of good things about Panama. A more or less stable government, a Black population that I can visually blend into (I need to learn Spanish), with a lot of first world perks in places like Panama City, etc.

    Wa Salaam.

  28. Sister Seeking says:

    ASA

    @ Khadija

    Thank you for sharing your wisdom, and listing a resource. I appreciate it. I hope to God, young people are listening.

    “Generally as BAMs, we are NOT wise with our words. We are also not balanced in our actions. Through words and deeds, many of us are creating a wave of enmity for Muslims in general among the general American population. If we persist in our unwise behavior, the backlash could get to the point that it’s no longer tenable for us to live in this country. Just as it became untenable for Japanese-Americans to live in the US during an earlier era.” Khadija

    SS: AMEN.

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